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[Satsekhem]

13-Year-Old Self Aborts.

I debated about whether to put this in politics or non-religious and decided that I didn't want this to enter the political debates. I merely wanted to inform.

[Raziel]

13-Year-Old Self Aborts.

I debated about whether to put this in politics or non-religious and decided that I didn't want this to enter the political debates. I merely wanted to inform.

Dang, and double dang.
I'm thinking of my newborn daughter right now, and I haven't the words...

[sailor_tech]

13-Year-Old Self Aborts.

I debated about whether to put this in politics or non-religious and decided that I didn't want this to enter the political debates. I merely wanted to inform.

Other than the person writing the article you link to is an lying about the state of the law in PA? 

[Carnelian]

13-Year-Old Self Aborts.

I debated about whether to put this in politics or non-religious and decided that I didn't want this to enter the political debates. I merely wanted to inform.

This reminds me of this article: http://news.change.org/stories/doctor-gets-court-order-to-confine-pregnant-woman-against-her-will#share_source=blog-top_fb

Apparently the one carrying the baby should have absolutely no rights to her own body during gestation.

[Satsekhem]

Other than the person writing the article you link to is an lying about the state of the law in PA? 

I believe I said I didn't want to get into the political debate, but I do know the area the girl is from. I have been there and lived there and met the people. (It's a really nice place and peaceful, too.) The laws in that area are based very much on... religious points of view. There are a lot of churches in the area and it's not a surprise that there are cities like "Bethlehem" not so far off. Neither here nor there, but I did want to mention that I have been to that part of PA before. However, this is probably what you would like to know: in looking at the map on Wiki PA is clearly defined as a need for parental consent state.

[Satsekhem]

This reminds me of this article: http://news.change.org/stories/doctor-gets-court-order-to-confine-pregnant-woman-against-her-will#share_source=blog-top_fb

Apparently the one carrying the baby should have absolutely no rights to her own body during gestation.

It's actually not that surprising for the state she's in. You wouldn't think that Florida is, uh, old-school in its thinking, but it definitely is. Arienwen can tell you all about the prejudice there, though. She lived there for over a year.

[catherine]

Other than the person writing the article you link to is an lying about the state of the law in PA? 

Yes, parental consent is required in Pa, as well as spousal notification and a whole host of other intrusive hoops a woman has to jump through just to have control of her own body and life.
http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/abortion/pennsylvania/

[sailor_tech]

Yes, parental consent is required in Pa, as well as spousal notification and a whole host of other intrusive hoops a woman has to jump through just to have control of her own body and life.
http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/abortion/pennsylvania/

You know it would help your case if you actaully read the link you posted.  Again, I call bull.

[Chabas]

You know it would help your case if you actaully read the link you posted.  Again, I call bull.

Based on what? You know how things work here, Peter. The link is clear on that PA requires parental and spousal consent (both where applicable), in spite of the latter requirement having been ruled unconstitutional. If you've got other information, try adding something useful to the discussion instead of pointless oneliners that just say others are wrong without basing that on anything.

--Chabas

[stephyjh]

You know it would help your case if you actaully read the link you posted.  Again, I call bull.

Surely you're aware that the ruling that deemed spousal consent requirements unconstitutional didn't void the requirement for parental consent?  Just because one clause is no longer valid doesn't invalidate the whole thing.

[catherine]

You know it would help your case if you actaully read the link you posted.  Again, I call bull.

Actually, I never claimed spousal consent was required. I said spousal notification

From the link that I provided

Except for medical emergency, physician must give information to mother at least 24 hours before abortion; if mother under 18 years and not emancipated, both mother's and one parent/guardian's informed consent required-court may authorize M.D. to perform abortion. If the woman is married, she must provide signed statement that she has notified her spouse of the abortion (Spousal consent found unconstitutional in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania V. Casey, but remain in PA's statute nonetheless)

boding mine

[sailor_tech]

Based on what? You know how things work here, Peter. The link is clear on that PA requires parental and spousal consent (both where applicable), in spite of the latter requirement having been ruled unconstitutional. If you've got other information, try adding something useful to the discussion instead of pointless oneliners that just say others are wrong without basing that on anything.

--Chabas

Considering she wasn't married, spousal consent is irrelevent to this, wether constitional or not.

[sailor_tech]

Actually, I never claimed spousal consent was required. I said spousal notification

From the link that I provided

Except for medical emergency, physician must give information to mother at least 24 hours before abortion; if mother under 18 years and not emancipated, both mother's and one parent/guardian's informed consent required-court may authorize M.D. to perform abortion. If the woman is married, she must provide signed statement that she has notified her spouse of the abortion (Spousal consent found unconstitutional in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania V. Casey, but remain in PA's statute nonetheless)

boding mine

And this is the same paragraph, with My bolding.

Except for medical emergency, physician must give information to mother at least 24 hours before abortion; if mother under 18 years and not emancipated, both mother's and one parent/guardian's informed consent required -court may authorize M.D. to perform abortion. If the woman is married, she must provide signed statement that she has notified her spouse of the abortion

It's called judicial by-pass.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppsp/judicial-bypass-pa-18389.htm

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppsp/information-pa-teens-18388.htm

I stand by my post that the author of article is lying about the state of the law in PA. 

[Inca]

court may authorize M.D. to perform abortion.

It may... so it might not?

[sailor_tech]

It may... so it might not?

Irrelevent to my point that the author at KOS is lying about the state of the law.

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