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« Reply #15: March 19, 2011, 07:45:03 pm »

I think one thing that would help and not hurt good for-profit schools would be only allowing them to sign students to contracts and loans for a semester at a time. Some schools (and I suspect mainly the bad ones) apparently front load all the payments -- students have to pay for the entire program up front. This leaves the school with no reason to care if the student does well, learns anything, etc. as they already have all the money before the student even starts the course. Preventing such contracts and loans would probably not hurt actual schools but would quickly kill off the money mill schools.

Good point.  I know my son's loans were year based and handed out by semester - same as in any public university.
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« Reply #16: March 28, 2011, 09:19:23 am »

I think one thing that would help and not hurt good for-profit schools would be only allowing them to sign students to contracts and loans for a semester at a time. Some schools (and I suspect mainly the bad ones) apparently front load all the payments -- students have to pay for the entire program up front. This leaves the school with no reason to care if the student does well, learns anything, etc. as they already have all the money before the student even starts the course. Preventing such contracts and loans would probably not hurt actual schools but would quickly kill off the money mill schools.

I wouldn't go to a school that did that kind of front loading.
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I've heard some pretty distressing stories (though I don't have links handy at the moment) about schools that, for example, have a nursing program, but where practicums and hands-on experience are very limited (even though they're typically a major part of non-profit training courses.) Education/early childhood education is another area where education without practical experience is complicated - and both are really hard to do internships/practicums in if someone is also working another full time job. Community colleges have some of the same issues, but because they've usually been in the community for a while, they can draw on some long-standing relationships to help figure things out that aren't accessible to a brand new branch of a larger for-profit school.




locally, at least, the community college nursing programs (I'm a grad of Parkland in Champaign,) have got really good clinical and practicals.  But at the same time, the hospitals still have 4-6 weeks of orientation, plus a 6 month mentoring program because they have to make sure.  You don't want to sic a new grad on the floor only to discover that Lung sounds just weren't their thing in school.  Everyone has holes, and everyone's are different. 
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« Reply #18: March 28, 2011, 01:09:06 pm »

Francis has attended for-profit schools here in Phoenix to get his degrees both in computer progamming and cooking.  Both used the job program as a major selling point.  The cooking school (Scottsdale Culinary Institute) came through, the business school (Apollo College) didn't.  Of course, Francis is looking for work in a restaurant again and not getting any help - so not so much with the promise of "life long job placement for alumni."  But this can be blamed mostly on the fact that SCI has changed ownership and technically doesn't exist any more. 

But both the internship and initial job placement for the cooking school were much better. 
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