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« Topic Start: March 27, 2011, 01:23:31 am »

Yesterday my government teacher asked our class if we were proud of being American, and I said no.
I said that I'm happy to be American, and I'm glad to be American, and that I'm happy for the good things that America has done, but that I wouldn't necessarily say I'm proud of being American. She obviously thought I had the Devil in me. I told her that I find silly being proud of something that you are born with, and had no control over, and therefore I also found silly to be proud things such as race,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
What do you think?
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« Reply #1: March 27, 2011, 01:32:38 am »

Yesterday my government teacher asked our class if we were proud of being American, and I said no.
I said that I'm happy to be American, and I'm glad to be American, and that I'm happy for the good things that America has done, but that I wouldn't necessarily say I'm proud of being American. She obviously thought I had the Devil in me. I told her that I find silly being proud of something that you are born with, and had no control over, and therefore I also found silly to be proud things such as race,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
What do you think?
For me, it's not so much in just being some of the examples you listed but how I represent them. I'm a proud Santo Rican for how I represent that, not just being one. Hey, there are some Santos and some Ricans who make being that quite a shame, but I'm proud of the way I represent the things I "happen" to be.
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« Reply #2: March 27, 2011, 01:36:02 am »

For me, it's not so much in just being some of the examples you listed but how I represent them. I'm a proud Santo Rican for how I represent that, not just being one. Hey, there are some Santos and some Ricans who make being that quite a shame, but I'm proud of the way I represent the things I "happen" to be.
Exactly, you are proud that you are a good Person, not just the fact that you are santo rican.
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« Reply #3: March 27, 2011, 08:09:46 am »

Yesterday my government teacher asked our class if we were proud of being American, and I said no.
I said that I'm happy to be American, and I'm glad to be American, and that I'm happy for the good things that America has done, but that I wouldn't necessarily say I'm proud of being American. She obviously thought I had the Devil in me. I told her that I find silly being proud of something that you are born with, and had no control over, and therefore I also found silly to be proud things such as race,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
What do you think?

I agree with you completely and answer the same way every time I'm asked (which is often, as I'm a foreign exchange student). I have nothing to be proud of; I had no part in making America what it is. I'm glad I was born there because it's one of the safest countries in the world, with the most opportunities. To me, patriotism seems silly and just draws artificial barriers between people.
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« Reply #4: March 27, 2011, 08:22:02 am »

What do you think?

Most people I've met are proud to be a citizen of whatever country they are a citizen of while not necessarily being proud of everything their country has done or is doing.
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« Reply #5: March 27, 2011, 08:28:24 am »


To me, me being proud of being American makes as much sense as me being proud of being white, female, or middle class. I was born into a station that I didn't work for. I'm proud of being Pagan, of my religious knowledge, of my struggles with depression, of my writing. Because those are things I did, not boxes I was shoved into at birth.
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« Reply #6: March 27, 2011, 09:28:34 am »


Yes and no. I am indeed proud of being an American, but I am not proud of America. Does that make sense?
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« Reply #7: March 27, 2011, 11:44:21 am »


I shouldn't really reply to this being from the rainy end of europe. (Netherlands)

But i've never really been proud of my country as a country. Sure i'm proud of our medical breakthroughs, i'm proud that we're one of the main supliers of iridium isotopes (They use those in radiation threatment, so to kill cancer cells). But my country as a whole and some of the choices it's made... or more so the choices it didn't make (As the goverment seems very passive here). No i'm not proud of my country.

Racial aswell... For some time i said i was proud of my race. But i'm more proud of my kinship (Norse descend / follower of the asagods) then i am of my race as a whole. Too many racists and nazi pigs share my skin color to be proud of it.

I am however like said in this topic before, am proud of choosing myself at some point. Refusing to support others that only leeched of my energy. I am proud of conquering my past, getting through the depression that followed. I am proud of the fact i can craft things with my hands. I am proud of my ability to overcome. And i am proud i got through death, to live another day reborn.

I am proud to be a pagan.

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« Reply #8: March 27, 2011, 02:14:32 pm »





Maybe part of the problem with this question is that people interpret the word "pride" in different ways. I think of pride as relating to something I did, so I almost feel like the use of "pride" for that question makes no sense. But maybe other people call "pride" a wider spectrum of sensations? Am I being clear at all?

(Having language issues today. XD Sure living in French makes me speak better French, but I'm losing my ability to be clear in English. College is going to be rough.)
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« Reply #9: March 28, 2011, 06:26:10 pm »

What do you think?

I can say that I'm not proud to be American. I don't like this country, and most of my fellow countrymen make me hate this country all the more. I am somewhat happy that I was born here over other places (though there are other countries I would have preferred to have been born in), but that doesn't make me proud of where I am.

I think if you like your country, you like what it does, and you feel you're an active part of that country, you can feel pride. Much like being part of an organization, or a group- you're part of something bigger. And you can feel pride in that. But I feel such a disconnect to my own birth nation that I really would love the chance to leave. Therefore, there is no pride for America in me.

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« Reply #10: April 11, 2011, 01:20:49 pm »

Yesterday my government teacher asked our class if we were proud of being American, and I said no.
I said that I'm happy to be American, and I'm glad to be American, and that I'm happy for the good things that America has done, but that I wouldn't necessarily say I'm proud of being American. She obviously thought I had the Devil in me. I told her that I find silly being proud of something that you are born with, and had no control over, and therefore I also found silly to be proud things such as race,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
What do you think?

I am not proud to be an American, no. I save pride for things I accomplish on my own, not thing that happened to me by accident. I'm happy I'm American, that's as far as I go with nationalism.
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« Reply #11: April 11, 2011, 07:52:08 pm »

Yesterday my government teacher asked our class if we were proud of being American, and I said no.
I said that I'm happy to be American, and I'm glad to be American, and that I'm happy for the good things that America has done, but that I wouldn't necessarily say I'm proud of being American. She obviously thought I had the Devil in me. I told her that I find silly being proud of something that you are born with, and had no control over, and therefore I also found silly to be proud things such as race,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
What do you think?

I think you're spot on.

Having visited some other countries, I can see that Americans (and Canadians and Australians) are a rather wild culture in many ways.  The freedoms and comforts we enjoy are unprecedented, but also taken for granted.  Like you, I see that we were born into this, not promised it.  A dichotomy.

At the end of the work day, I come to my 1,000 sq ft private apartment, with central heat and air conditioning, running hot and cold water, double basin stainless steel sink, shower, conventional and microwave ovens, deck, covered parking for my private automobile - and I sulk.  Not everyday, but you get the point.  I take it all for granted and don't feel complete.

So yes, I am happy to be American, though I have to kick myself once in a while to realize it.  Less proud - I didn't make this, I am standing on the shoulders of many, many people.

Seeing the Bedouin living in open tents in the Mid-East summer - that is something for them to be proud of.

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« Reply #12: April 11, 2011, 08:28:42 pm »


Yes and no. I am indeed proud of being an American, but I am not proud of America. Does that make sense?
  It makes perfect sense to me.    I may lOVE my country,  but am not in agreement with or proud of many things it's government has done or is currently doing.   
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« Reply #13: April 11, 2011, 08:38:04 pm »

Seeing the Bedouin living in open tents in the Mid-East summer - that is something for them to be proud of.

I don't understand the reasoning.  If being American is not something you should be proud of because you were born to it, well, weren't they born to the way they live?  It seems rather condescending to say that you can only be proud of your own achievements but these others, simply because they don't have the same lifestyle you do, do get to be proud of their birth, no achievements necessary.

Somebody foreign (or more socially or technologically advanced) who saw the American way of life as slightly primitive with hardships and archaic ways of doing things might very well give you permission to be proud as well.  As if surviving in 21st c America were achievement enough.  It seems very 'noble savage' to me to substitute the culture for the individual when talking about other people's pride.

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« Reply #14: April 11, 2011, 10:02:23 pm »

I don't understand the reasoning.  If being American is not something you should be proud of because you were born to it, well, weren't they born to the way they live? 

It's a bit ambiguous, but it looks like War slipped into a different distinction between things you make (Bedouins and their tents) versus things you don't (microwaves, automobiles, etc).

Of course the need for you to make and not make things is partly determined by the culture you're born in, but it's still a separate issue because there are other things Americans could make.
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