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« Reply #15: April 11, 2011, 10:03:04 pm »

Most people I've met are proud to be a citizen of whatever country they are a citizen of while not necessarily being proud of everything their country has done or is doing.

I agree.  I'm proud to be American, but I by no means like many, if not most, of the things our government does.  Not that the government should get all the blame, there are things that big chunks of the American citizenry do that are upsetting as well.  
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« Reply #16: April 12, 2011, 07:12:06 am »


I am proud to be an American.  I am proud of the things this country is founded upon.  I am thankful for the freedoms that we have.  Do I like everything that American or some portion of its citizens have chosen to do?  No.  But I do feel a 'part' of my country.  I take advantage of the freedoms that are given to me, simply by being born here.  I vote, I do volunteer work, etc.  I give honor to those that have died so that I can enjoy what is good about this country.  If I think something should be changed, I am thankful that their are avenues here that we can make use of to change those things.  In short, good and bad weighed together, I would not have wanted to have been born anywhere else.  And looking in looking around the world, I can't find any country that is simply 'good' or 'bad' and neither are we.  YMMV
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« Reply #17: April 12, 2011, 11:12:26 am »

I don't understand the reasoning.  If being American is not something you should be proud of because you were born to it, well, weren't they born to the way they live? 

I keep you around to slap me upside the head like that once in a while. Cheesy  Point well taken, thank you.  I was indeed placing a different value on them than myself.  It was a privileged viewpoint, something I try to avoid.

It's a bit ambiguous, but it looks like War slipped into a different distinction between things you make (Bedouins and their tents) versus things you don't (microwaves, automobiles, etc).

Yes and no.  My recollection at the moment was of being in an air-conditioned road tractor when it was a hundred degrees (54C) outside.  It appears to be some angle of human nature: "I'd die out there!"  And the guy out there has no option other than to live and deal with it.

Now I wonder how many metaphors that leads to.

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« Reply #18: April 12, 2011, 03:19:45 pm »




I would say yeah, I am proud to be American.

Do I care about cultural identity? No. Do I care about unity in numbers? No, except in cases of extreme self defense involving attacks from other groups, and only then and only for that purpose, and completely dismantling the group after that. Will that ever happen here? No.

If it's not a federal or state government, it's a church group or home-owners association that will act as a bug up your ass. But there are a lot of great things in America, such as the Rocky Mountains, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone National Park, etc. There are a lot of things here that make the dumb stuff worthwhile.
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« Reply #19: April 12, 2011, 03:45:15 pm »

I keep you around to slap me upside the head like that once in a while. Cheesy  Point well taken, thank you.  I was indeed placing a different value on them than myself.  It was a privileged viewpoint, something I try to avoid.

Thank you.  After I posted I was feeling bad about taking you up that sharply when I know you're not that guy.  I've mentioned elsewhere that I'm stressed and cranky at the moment, so I'm relieved at your gracious response.

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« Reply #20: April 12, 2011, 09:48:49 pm »

Thank you.  After I posted I was feeling bad about taking you up that sharply when I know you're not that guy.  I've mentioned elsewhere that I'm stressed and cranky at the moment, so I'm relieved at your gracious response.

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« Reply #21: April 17, 2011, 11:10:27 pm »

Yesterday my government teacher asked our class if we were proud of being American, and I said no.
I said that I'm happy to be American, and I'm glad to be American, and that I'm happy for the good things that America has done, but that I wouldn't necessarily say I'm proud of being American. She obviously thought I had the Devil in me. I told her that I find silly being proud of something that you are born with, and had no control over, and therefore I also found silly to be proud things such as race,ethnicity, or sexual orientation.
What do you think?

I am definitely proud to be an American. I served this country for 5 1/2 years in the Army, and loved every minute of it. I know that sometimes, this country may not be exactly what you want it to be, but every so many years, we have the ability to change that. I can totally be myself in this country and I would die for this country and for the people in it, so that y'all may have the freedoms that we do. The world isn't perfect and the US isn't perfect, but nothing ever is, one should be proud of where one comes from, and do their best to make that place the best it can be. Millions of people died for the freedoms we have, and in no way should a citizen of this country should disrespect that. I believe other people from Britain or Canada, or wherever would say the same about their country as well. I just hope people understand that yes I know you might not like everything about America, but there are so many great things that make up America and the Great people of various ethnicities that make this country great. I guess that my 2 cents, or maybe 25 cents.
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« Reply #22: April 26, 2011, 04:12:38 pm »

What do you think?

I am proud to be an American. At the same time I dislike the majority of what America has become.  I think the founding fathers would start a revolution if they saw the current America.
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« Reply #23: April 26, 2011, 09:50:26 pm »

I am proud to be an American. At the same time I dislike the majority of what America has become.

And how can you justify the variations in your claim?  (Assuming any of us can...)  Surely the majority speaks for all, does it not?

Or do you speak for some royalty or caliphate, that does not need common rule?

Think on that.

Minority rule is what we are combating now.  It is an ugly little war and it is going to get uglier.  Nevertheless, it is my prayer that the majority gets their way.

I am not so certain that the majority of America is what you perceive.  What you see on FoxNews is not what lurks beneath.



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« Reply #24: April 26, 2011, 10:57:28 pm »

And how can you justify the variations in your claim?  (Assuming any of us can...)  Surely the majority speaks for all, does it not?

Or do you speak for some royalty or caliphate, that does not need common rule?

Think on that.

Minority rule is what we are combating now.  It is an ugly little war and it is going to get uglier.  Nevertheless, it is my prayer that the majority gets their way.

I am not so certain that the majority of America is what you perceive.  What you see on FoxNews is not what lurks beneath.
I love the land and its history, just not its current government. I  think the government holds to much power and has a bit to much control. I also believe the government is corrupt. Its definitely throwing money to places it shouldn't especially during a time like now when we have money issues already. Theres other things i wont get into because they are a bit extreme in view, but even without those views the government does enough other stuff that bugs me would probably support a rebellion.
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« Reply #25: April 27, 2011, 11:58:26 am »

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My issues are not so much the good things America has done vs the bad things. It pretty much the fact that most Americans were simply born Americans. To say that one is "proud"  to be American is like completely accrediting yourself with something you had nothing to do with - unless you were a soldier or something like that.
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« Reply #26: April 27, 2011, 07:59:52 pm »

I love the land and its history, just not its current government.

And yet the current government is perhaps the kindest thing that has happened to this land in it's history since the white-skins appeared and pushed us onto reservations.

And then they shipped in slaves from Africa - don't even bother with the locals, bring in outsiders.  Just like Libya.

I think you have an underdeveloped idea of this land.

I think you have an underdeveloped idea of history.

And I think - and this is only my opinion, not endorsed by anyone here - that you have an underdeveloped view of the current administration.  No one since Franklin Delano Roosevelt himself has faced this sort of chaos.

So, I have just given you three directions in which to go.  Of course, you may chose your own direction.

The path you are on appears (to my humble eyes) myopic.  Be careful.

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« Reply #27: April 27, 2011, 09:07:56 pm »

And yet the current government is perhaps the kindest thing that has happened to this land in it's history since the white-skins appeared and pushed us onto reservations.

I feel bad for what happened to the tribes, I would hate to be in the position they were. Though at the same, if I were at another point in history, I would like to have conquered places. So while I feel bad for them, I also see that as good land that I also would've took. Same stuff happened all over the world. If you look far back into history stronger groups tend to push the weaker groups out of the way for the better land, kind of  survival of the fittest I guess.  Don't take this post as a insult to native americans,  I greatly respect them, their culture, and their way of life.  I really admire ones like Sitting Bull, Geronimo and Crazy Horse. I think it would have been interesting to have met them and fought against them too.

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And then they shipped in slaves from Africa - don't even bother with the locals, bring in outsiders.  Just like Libya.
I will agree that the slavery was wrong.  Though it is bothersome when people  bring up slavery when talking about whites. It's not like whites were the only people to ever have slaves. Sure we turned it into something huge, but only because at the time it was easy. I'm sure other places in the world that had slaves would have done the same thing if the opportunity presented itself.

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I think you have an underdeveloped idea of this land.

This I will have to disagree with. I spend a lot of time studying in history and when I get some money I will be going to college for history. I base most of my opinions on history and what has happened over time and what is happening int he world now.
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« Reply #28: April 28, 2011, 08:45:49 pm »

This I will have to disagree with. I spend a lot of time studying in history and when I get some money I will be going to college for history. I base most of my opinions on history and what has happened over time and what is happening int he world now.

Good - I wanted to see what you would do when challenged. Wink

Best of fortune on that history degree - we need more thinkers out there.

And no - no insult taken or even insinuated.  I think you have a good heart.

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