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« Reply #30: May 12, 2011, 10:32:14 pm »

I saw nothing wrong with it.

For one thing, it's disrespectful to sit in the house of a god, partake of his rituals, and in your heart of hearts dedicate your presence and your devotion to a different god.  It is deceptive, it is dishonest, and I can't think of any god, either the public one or the hidden one, accepting 'honour' under such conditions.

The only condition under which I would not condemn this act would be if the religion was state-commanded and enforced.  Most people are not martyrs and would go through the motions if health and safety were at risk.  In current western society, however, I can't see that happening.  (social pressure to attend a church is not sufficient to justify the deception - you could just balance your chequebook while you sit there (pop culture reference for 10))  Taking communion when you are not in a fit state for it just strikes me as wrong.

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« Reply #31: May 12, 2011, 10:34:47 pm »

For one thing, it's disrespectful to sit in the house of a god, partake of his rituals, and in your heart of hearts dedicate your presence and your devotion to a different god.  It is deceptive, it is dishonest, and I can't think of any god, either the public one or the hidden one, accepting 'honour' under such conditions.

Ditto. I don't take communion anymore unless I feel that I can be respectful to at least Jesus while in church. (I've kinda given up on his dad.) I used to dedicate the communion to Dionysus and Demeter, but ironically enough that was after I quit Christianity and before I even knew about Paganism. Looking back on it, it's like giving secondhand, used gifts to a lover.
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« Reply #32: May 12, 2011, 11:20:49 pm »

Ditto. I don't take communion anymore unless I feel that I can be respectful to at least Jesus while in church. (I've kinda given up on his dad.) I used to dedicate the communion to Dionysus and Demeter, but ironically enough that was after I quit Christianity and before I even knew about Paganism. Looking back on it, it's like giving secondhand, used gifts to a lover.

IYHO of course.

But IMHO there's nothing wrong with it. And honestly, it's up to the OP. (Original poster)
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« Reply #33: May 12, 2011, 11:27:29 pm »

IYHO of course.

But IMHO there's nothing wrong with it. And honestly, it's up to the OP. (Original poster)

Seeing as I wrote the post, I thought it was obvious it was my opinion. Would you like to explain how taking a ceremony meant for one god, in that god's temple, and ignoring its very premise, and giving it instead to another god doesn't seem disrespectful to you?
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« Reply #34: May 12, 2011, 11:45:33 pm »

Seeing as I wrote the post, I thought it was obvious it was my opinion. Would you like to explain how taking a ceremony meant for one god, in that god's temple, and ignoring its very premise, and giving it instead to another god doesn't seem disrespectful to you?

I personally tend towards taking it as a violation of hospitality.
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« Reply #35: May 13, 2011, 12:14:22 am »

I personally tend towards taking it as a violation of hospitality.

This.

It's your decision and your free will but it smacks of childish disrespect - imo - and is something that *I* would never choose to do.

Part of the reason I stopped attending church at all even before I left Christianity (in any iteration) was because I felt like I was lying and abusing the faith of others present when I prayed, sang hymns etc because (presumably) their faith and worship were meaningful and sincere whereas mine was, at best, polite mimicry.

Again it's your decision/opinion/choice but don't be surprised if it's an unpopular one.
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« Reply #36: May 13, 2011, 05:53:43 am »

IYHO of course.

But IMHO there's nothing wrong with it. And honestly, it's up to the OP. (Original poster)

The opinions being presented against you are based on careful consideration of Christianity, what communion means to Christians, what it is intended to accomplish--the whole context of it.  It would be helpful if you could tell us on what you base your opinion.  Maybe you have a really good, solid reason for believing the way you do, but just waving away objections with a "well, that's your opinion" is not going to help us understand or further the conversation.  And...  I don't know whether this is still an issue the OP is concerned with, but if it were me, I know I'd find an opinion presented along with the reasoning that backs it more useful in trying to make my decision than an opinion just thrown out there with nothing to explain how it was arrived at or how it works.
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« Reply #37: May 16, 2011, 10:07:53 am »

I think you should be able to honor the Christian God as the God of others you care about. Asking him to care for those who do follow him because you are truly concerned about them doesn't strike me as something any deity -- except perhaps the Fundie version of the Christian God -- could take great offense at.

This is something that I do and I think this is a really valid point. I left Catholicism behind for good several years ago and I don't feel any need myself to include the Christian God in my worship, but that doesn't mean I don't still respect Him. I don't go to church unless my mother asks me to, and even though I usually only consent on holidays. But I've addressed prayers to the Christian God on behalf of my deceased grandmother and my mother herself, since He is their God and my Gods aren't. On occasion I'll also ask Brigid in a general way to protect those I care for.

As for attending church, I consider it the same as attending any kind of ceremony for a religion which is not mine (like a Passover seder or a ritual for another pagan faith): as a respectful observer and a participant only where the faithful WANT me to be. At Catholic Mass for example, most of the priests point out that although non-Catholics are welcome at Mass, they should not take communion, and I would respect that even if I wanted to take it. I will also not say certain prayers. But as for kneeling/standing where appropriate, singing hymns, and giving thanks, why not? To me these are gestures which show respect both towards the God whose house I'm visiting and to the congregation.
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« Reply #38: May 16, 2011, 04:47:54 pm »

The opinions being presented against you are based on careful consideration of Christianity, what communion means to Christians, what it is intended to accomplish--the whole context of it.  It would be helpful if you could tell us on what you base your opinion.  Maybe you have a really good, solid reason for believing the way you do, but just waving away objections with a "well, that's your opinion" is not going to help us understand or further the conversation.  And...  I don't know whether this is still an issue the OP is concerned with, but if it were me, I know I'd find an opinion presented along with the reasoning that backs it more useful in trying to make my decision than an opinion just thrown out there with nothing to explain how it was arrived at or how it works.

Exactly.  That's why I posted here.  I generally respect the imput I get from people on TC because I know most of them will think things through before answering my questions. 

Obviously anyone's responses I receive are going to be their opinions.  I knew that when I started the thread.  I was never asking for someone to answer the question for me, and nobody on here presumed to do so.

I needed rational responses and I got them.  This was good, because I wasn't rational when I started this thread and I was very aware of that. 

Going to communion on a whim to make my grieving parents feel better may have made things worse.  I could have upset their God, and my therefore upset my ancestors.  That wasn't something that would have helped the situation. 

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« Reply #39: May 16, 2011, 07:38:27 pm »

Exactly.  That's why I posted here.  I generally respect the imput I get from people on TC because I know most of them will think things through before answering my questions. 

Obviously anyone's responses I receive are going to be their opinions.  I knew that when I started the thread.  I was never asking for someone to answer the question for me, and nobody on here presumed to do so.

Star's response was actually addressed to Outlaw, (as the quote she used indicates) in response to a post where she (Outlaw) stressed that somebody's opinion was just that.  It wasn't aimed at you in any way.

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« Reply #40: May 16, 2011, 08:20:39 pm »

Star's response was actually addressed to Outlaw, (as the quote she used indicates) in response to a post where she (Outlaw) stressed that somebody's opinion was just that.  It wasn't aimed at you in any way.

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I know it wasn't aimed at me.  I was trying to express to Outlaw that I agreed with Star.  Well-reasoned opinions were what I was looking for.

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« Reply #41: May 16, 2011, 08:33:21 pm »

I know it wasn't aimed at me.  I was trying to express to Outlaw that I agreed with Star.  Well-reasoned opinions were what I was looking for.

Sorry if it came off differently than I intended. 

FWIW, I read it in exactly the way you intended.  Smiley
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« Reply #42: June 20, 2011, 09:24:22 am »

I should put in more effort to be polite and, say, attend Mass with them while I'm visiting.
I really don't understand the logic of this.  ???First of all the idea of "should" indicates an element of guilt. Secondly, why would attending Mass be a polite thing to do?  What is the purpose?  Would you expect your relations to attend one of your ceremonies if they came to visit? Would you consider them impolite if they didn't?  I would think it would make them quite uncomfortable.  :-\In my opinion, it would be more polite to decline an invitation since you cannot participate fully and sincerely. 

As to the original post.  I believe that people follow their own gods, goddesses, higher power.  It all comes back to that energy that humanity can sense but not quite describe.  Maybe it is higher than us, maybe it is in us, maybe it is us.  Most need a way to explain life's mysteries and cope with them.  Some name their higher power in accordance with a connection. If a person's higher power had no name it would be rather difficult to pray to.  I think what it comes down to is everyone is really worshipping/honoring the same thing in their very unique way because of their uniqueness. 
If this is the case then by honoring your higher power, you are also honoring theirs. 

I do have one question though.  In all of the hubub to honor the higher powers involved.  Isn't it love that matters most?  And would love not be the most important thing?  You obviously love your brother.  They do as well.  So whatever you do if it is done in pure love, is best for all involved. It seems to me that any higher power would be honored by that.   
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