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« Reply #60: April 04, 2011, 05:55:23 pm »

You haven't.  I only mentioned claiming an objectively superior position because you seemed to be saying that people who say they think the gods are flawed are claiming to have objectively superior positions to the gods they're talking about.  I don't understand why that would be true, why someone couldn't just say "I don't think that what that deity did is good" without necessarily meaning "...and I know better than them."

I agree with what you're saying.

I know where BGMarc is coming from with the word "flawed" being kind of... I dunno... loaded?

But I think what you're saying is that it's okay at least to question the actions of the gods.  I think that if we didn't... if any person in any religion didn't, then it hits the point where you're blindly following. And blind faith never allows one to grow.
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« Reply #61: April 05, 2011, 12:06:45 am »

You haven't.  I only mentioned claiming an objectively superior position because you seemed to be saying that people who say they think the gods are flawed are claiming to have objectively superior positions to the gods they're talking about.  I don't understand why that would be true, why someone couldn't just say "I don't think that what that deity did is good" without necessarily meaning "...and I know better than them."

See, I'm the opposite on this one. I can't understand how it could be viewed any other way. If you say thatyou are doing something tha you believe is good and I tell you that it isn't good, how am I doing anything other than saying that my judgement of your action is more correct than yours?
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« Reply #62: April 05, 2011, 08:34:38 am »

See, I'm the opposite on this one. I can't understand how it could be viewed any other way. If you say thatyou are doing something tha you believe is good and I tell you that it isn't good, how am I doing anything other than saying that my judgement of your action is more correct than yours?

Or you could just be saying that your judgement is different than mine -- perhaps even based on different criteria.
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« Reply #63: April 05, 2011, 08:52:03 am »

I don't want to belabour my point. I'm sure you get the picture. I'm not saying it's the only way, but for me it is an extremely effective way that takes me outside my preconceptions and helps to make the myths genuine sources of wisdom and teaching.

I see what you mean. Interesting that this approach, compared to the way previous posters approached the myth, makes use of anachronism (in the sense of imposing our understanding of rape onto the myth). I suppose to find contemporary relevance in anything you need to read it in a contemporary way.
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« Reply #64: April 05, 2011, 08:55:15 am »

See, I'm the opposite on this one. I can't understand how it could be viewed any other way. If you say thatyou are doing something tha you believe is good and I tell you that it isn't good, how am I doing anything other than saying that my judgement of your action is more correct than yours?

This looks like your objective-rational-morality stance getting in the way.  Wink
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« Reply #65: April 05, 2011, 09:40:31 pm »

Or you could just be saying that your judgement is different than mine -- perhaps even based on different criteria.

This.  Different is not necessarily superior.
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« Reply #66: May 05, 2011, 02:52:18 am »

I think you're looking at this from a more modern perspective, though; assuming that the gods are worshiped because they are good or admirable. The gods were worshiped because they were deserving of worship, for nothing more than the fact that they were gods. They were propagated with offerings, in the hope that they would behave in a manner that was beneficial for the offerer, but I really don't think that admiration was the motivating factor.

Looking at it this way, it often seems - and I hate to use this word because it's so loaded, but for lack of a better term - "primitive" to me, to revere gods for such simple reasons. It brings to mind the popular (though largely speculative?) image of early man being full of awe and fear of the forces of nature, groveling before them in the hope that they will show mercy. Was it really just about appeasing these overwhelming powers?

(I realize that this doesn't necessarily reflect on how modern Hellenics feel about their relationship with divinity, and I'm not trying to make any value judgements. This is just my gut reaction, and I want to have a better understanding of these ancient viewpoints.)
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Thessaly: Did she answer you?
Foxglove: Well, it felt good at the time. Empowering.
Thessaly: Hmph.

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