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« Reply #30: April 09, 2011, 02:17:39 pm »

Now, I could be wrong about this but it seems... unlikely to me that Dionysus would dislike you? My guy is a God of Madness so I can't see him downright disliking someone, especially if the person has a mental disorder? In mythology, he was driven mad by Hera and was eventually cured by Cybele (and taught him the mysteries). So.. it feels off and doesn't feel in his nature?
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I hope for the best for you. Smiley That's... all I can really say or do, I feel.


Ever heard of the quote, "Shit happens?" Crap just happened, and it's not the gods or goddess wrecking havoc on you. If an immortal deity send their psychic attack on you, that would be against the Universal Law of Free Will in this Universe.

The confusing visions and voice you have of Hecate maybe a part of hallucinations from the chemical imbalances in your brain, and it's not Her. She's a stern Mother goddess and although she works on the principle of tough love, she would never suffer her own children. She guides them and protects them in their own sufferings as we go through the flow of life. Pain is the teacher and the lessons we learned as her children just strengthens our souls to do better.
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« Reply #31: April 09, 2011, 02:57:02 pm »


Ever heard of the quote, "Shit happens?" Crap just happened, and it's not the gods or goddess wrecking havoc on you. If an immortal deity send their psychic attack on you, that would be against the Universal Law of Free Will in this Universe.

The confusing visions and voice you have of Hecate maybe a part of hallucinations from the chemical imbalances in your brain, and it's not Her. She's a stern Mother goddess and although she works on the principle of tough love, she would never suffer her own children. She guides them and protects them in their own sufferings as we go through the flow of life. Pain is the teacher and the lessons we learned as her children just strengthens our souls to do better.

I suppose this post was for me, although you quoted Fera...
Thank you for so honest opinion.
I agree, Hecate is a loving Goddess, and I know that "visions" in this case were provoked by my mental issues...
There will always be doubt about Laws of Universe, if you ask me, because, if Gods are immortal (they are), I think that there is no reason why wouldn't they have freedom to act like they want to...
What is certain in this issue, Greek Gods of healing, including Apollo, and minor ones, didn't respond to my prayers ever, Dionysus too...
Now that's crap, and even though they maybe don't hate me, they certainly don't care for me and my prayers...
Meanwhile, few days ago, I was in a pretty bad state of mind, and I prayed to Set, even though I never EVER had any connection with Him, and I never thought of him, but I prayed to him that day, and instantly He helped me...
Since then few days passed, and I feel comforted and peaceful still...
So, there is certainly something wrong between me and Greek deities, since I usually sink into depression in times of my life when I pray to Them...  Huh  Cry
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« Reply #32: April 09, 2011, 04:07:33 pm »

Ever heard of the quote, "Shit happens?" Crap just happened, and it's not the gods or goddess wrecking havoc on you. If an immortal deity send their psychic attack on you, that would be against the Universal Law of Free Will in this Universe.

The confusing visions and voice you have of Hecate maybe a part of hallucinations from the chemical imbalances in your brain, and it's not Her. She's a stern Mother goddess and although she works on the principle of tough love, she would never suffer her own children. She guides them and protects them in their own sufferings as we go through the flow of life. Pain is the teacher and the lessons we learned as her children just strengthens our souls to do better.

Have you even READ Greek Mythology?  The Gods hold grudges against humans and smite them left and right -- often for extremely petty reasons.  Also, Hekate isn't all sugar and light.  She was often petitioned by Ancient Greek magic users to curse people.
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« Reply #33: April 09, 2011, 04:09:41 pm »

Oh hun. I'm a devotee of Hecate. She is my goddess mother and I am Her priestess. Knowing her intimately, she would never, EVER tell you to avoid praying to the gods and goddess of her own family, the family of Olympians.

Ermm, isn't Hekate a Titan?
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« Reply #34: April 09, 2011, 04:50:50 pm »

Have you even READ Greek Mythology?  The Gods hold grudges against humans and smite them left and right -- often for extremely petty reasons.  Also, Hekate isn't all sugar and light.  She was often petitioned by Ancient Greek magic users to curse people.

Finally, someone got the point. Smiley
All you wrote is correct, according to classic Greek mythology, not UPG.
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« Reply #35: April 09, 2011, 05:03:29 pm »


What is this Universal Law of Free Will?  Plenty of people believe in free will, but it's quite a leap from "I believe in free will" to "free will is a Universal Law."  The culture on this board tends to favor making a distinction between personal beliefs and verifiable facts; there are a lot of different religious beliefs represented here, and not all of them believe in free will.

Also, I agree that in general the gods don't usually go around persecuting people; they're gods, they've got better things to do, and I think it's really hubristic to just assume "the only way bad things could happen to me happen is if a GOD was personally involved!  Because I am just that special!"  (Not that I think Anteros is necessarily doing that; I'm speaking generally.)  But Greek myth is, as Mel said, *full* of stories about the gods going after people because their great-great-grandfather pissed one off, or because they're on the wrong side in a war, or they devoted too much time to another god that the first god doesn't like, or whatever.  Now, most of those people were major players with a lot of power and influence -- royalty, aristocrats, direct descendants of the gods -- rather than ordinary schlubs.  But the stories are still there, so it's misleading to claim that the gods would never do such a thing.  
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« Reply #36: April 10, 2011, 02:12:04 am »

Have you even READ Greek Mythology?  The Gods hold grudges against humans and smite them left and right -- often for extremely petty reasons.  Also, Hekate isn't all sugar and light.  She was often petitioned by Ancient Greek magic users to curse people.

Yes I do and I'm aware of it. I believe the biggest mistake that people did with mythology stories is that they took them as actual events instead of looking at them as allegories to human behavior as well. Mythology should be taken as an allusion to human behavior and as stories. 

I did say she is a stern mother, and she has a light side and a dark side. And I know people often invoke her to cast curses on people, but try to remember, curses and spells don't often work if she doesn't allow it to happen! All petitions is fallen under judgement and most of the time, the curses don't work.
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« Reply #37: April 10, 2011, 02:14:41 am »

I suppose this post was for me, although you quoted Fera...
Thank you for so honest opinion.
I agree, Hecate is a loving Goddess, and I know that "visions" in this case were provoked by my mental issues...
There will always be doubt about Laws of Universe, if you ask me, because, if Gods are immortal (they are), I think that there is no reason why wouldn't they have freedom to act like they want to...
What is certain in this issue, Greek Gods of healing, including Apollo, and minor ones, didn't respond to my prayers ever, Dionysus too...
Now that's crap, and even though they maybe don't hate me, they certainly don't care for me and my prayers...
Meanwhile, few days ago, I was in a pretty bad state of mind, and I prayed to Set, even though I never EVER had any connection with Him, and I never thought of him, but I prayed to him that day, and instantly He helped me...
Since then few days passed, and I feel comforted and peaceful still...
So, there is certainly something wrong between me and Greek deities, since I usually sink into depression in times of my life when I pray to Them...  Huh  Cry


Use some common sense. If any god doesn't answer your prayers, it doesn't mean they don't care. Maybe they're just not the gods for you, and you need to let them go and move on with your life until the time is right. A deity comes to you as a guide when your progression in spiritual learning meets at a certain level and you reach a point of understanding.
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« Reply #38: April 10, 2011, 04:09:21 am »

Yes I do and I'm aware of it. I believe the biggest mistake that people did with mythology stories is that they took them as actual events instead of looking at them as allegories to human behavior as well. Mythology should be taken as an allusion to human behavior and as stories.  

Yep, I believe some stories are allegorical, whereas others provide a glimpse of divine nature, and the rest are mere entertainment if not garbage.  

There's also another "theory" going around that says when a god "rapes" or kills a mortal that it  symbolizes a spiritual transformation of the victim.  For some, it can mean apotheosis.  Until I see historical evidence of this, it is nothing but New Age mombo-jumbo to me!
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« Reply #39: April 10, 2011, 04:11:45 am »


Use some common sense. If any god doesn't answer your prayers, it doesn't mean they don't care. Maybe they're just not the gods for you, and you need to let them go and move on with your life until the time is right. A deity comes to you as a guide when your progression in spiritual learning meets at a certain level and you reach a point of understanding.

Again, I agree.
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« Reply #40: April 10, 2011, 04:22:09 am »

Thank you for nice wishes. Smiley
After so many posts in this topic, from experienced people, with best wishes and hopes for me, I think I misinterpreted words from Gods, and made them much more serious, where uninterested God, became God full of wrath toward me...
I'll pray to Gods for help with my condition, but this time I won't call upon Apollo only, I'll ask lesser Gods for help too, like Panacea, Hygieia etc...

You're welcome.  May the gods bless you with clarity! Smiley
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« Reply #41: April 10, 2011, 06:19:04 am »


Use some common sense. If any god doesn't answer your prayers, it doesn't mean they don't care. Maybe they're just not the gods for you, and you need to let them go and move on with your life until the time is right. A deity comes to you as a guide when your progression in spiritual learning meets at a certain level and you reach a point of understanding.

By common sense argument, if I pray and a god doesn't answer my prayer, I could just as easily say the gods don't exist.

Common sense isn't always the best barometer in measures of faith.  That's why it's called faith - because it's past logic's end.

You've got a lot of declarations about what the myths *really* mean .. but why should I take your viewpoint over someone else's?
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« Reply #42: April 10, 2011, 05:13:23 pm »

Ermm, isn't Hekate a Titan?

"Titan" is not necessarily mutually exclusive with "Olympian"- there are, after all, more than just twelve deities dwelling on Olympus. Leto, for example, is also a Titan goddess, but is also called Olympian in at least one ancient source (the third Homeric Hymn comes to mind)
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« Reply #43: April 10, 2011, 05:19:08 pm »

Yes I do and I'm aware of it. I believe the biggest mistake that people did with mythology stories is that they took them as actual events instead of looking at them as allegories to human behavior as well. Mythology should be taken as an allusion to human behavior and as stories. 

Okay...well, that's cool for you if that's what you believe, but just taking mythology as an allusion to human behavior- as you say here should be done- doesn't work if one believes differently about the myths.

Personally, I believe that the myths might very well be stories of events that have, in fact happened- perhaps not on this physical plane, but maybe somewhere on the gods' plane, this events really have taken place and the poets were gifted with those stories to tell us.

But I wouldn't tell you that you should take them as stories of events that have literally happened on anther plane of existence.
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« Reply #44: April 22, 2011, 03:47:16 pm »


Does anyone here had same experiences?
Do Gods really love us, and few hate us?

Just a general opinion, I do not know personally, but I do think that we as humans cannot truly understand a mind of a god, we are too human and our brains would explode if we truly knew the true mind of a god.
In my opinion.
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