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« Topic Start: April 01, 2011, 12:42:43 pm »

Does anyone know of any good articles about the animal that was used to represent Sutekh?  I've heard that it was a canid type of beastie.  I've also heard that that he was a deer-like creature.  I haven't studied this much and would like to know more. 
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« Reply #1: April 01, 2011, 12:54:00 pm »

Does anyone know of any good articles about the animal that was used to represent Sutekh?  I've heard that it was a canid type of beastie.  I've also heard that that he was a deer-like creature.  I haven't studied this much and would like to know more.  
There are lots of different ideas. In hieroglyphs Set could be depicted as a canid-like animal; similar to a greyhound. Some think He was an aardvark due to the long snout. Back then aardvarks might have had reddish-brown fur, which could contribute to Set's affinity for the color red. It could be that He was a donkey as well.

It could be possibly He was neither any of these animals, but an imaginary combination of creatures. Another hypothesis would be the representation of a particular fish that lived in the Nile - an oxyrhynchus fish. They have long snouts similar to Set's and their pronged tail fins are reminiscent of Set's forked tail. Additionally, I think this was the fish that is said to have swallowed Wesir's penis as well.

So far,  the "aardvark, antelope, ass, camel, fennec, giraffe, greyhound, jackal, jerboa, long-snouted mouse, okapi, oryx and pig have all been suggested!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_animal
http://flavias.blogspot.com/2008/01/seth-animal.html

Whenever I try to ask, Set seems to grin smugly and replies "What do you think?" I think He likes baffling historians.  
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« Reply #2: April 01, 2011, 01:04:09 pm »

Does anyone know of any good articles about the animal that was used to represent Sutekh?  I've heard that it was a canid type of beastie.  I've also heard that that he was a deer-like creature.  I haven't studied this much and would like to know more. 

I wish I could remember where I read this, but some scholars think that the sha was deliberately chimeric because Big Red represents the foreign, borderland, and strange, and thus an animal that actually existed materially would be too knowable for the lord of the perverse.
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« Reply #3: April 01, 2011, 01:06:48 pm »

I wish I could remember where I read this, but some scholars think that the sha was deliberately chimeric because Big Red represents the foreign, borderland, and strange, and thus an animal that actually existed materially would be too knowable for the lord of the perverse.
I tend to accept that idea and go along with it. Seems very appropriate for Set.
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« Reply #4: April 01, 2011, 01:34:17 pm »

Does anyone know of any good articles about the animal that was used to represent Sutekh?  I've heard that it was a canid type of beastie.  I've also heard that that he was a deer-like creature.  I haven't studied this much and would like to know more. 

Composite beasties were common in Heka practice, from what I've read. (Pinch's Egyptian Magic has several illustrations). Things with eight or more different heads, and several arms, treading dangerous creatures were drawn as part of spells.

So I'd think that Sutekh being somewhat of a composite would be very likely.
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« Reply #5: April 04, 2011, 12:38:37 pm »

Does anyone know of any good articles about the animal that was used to represent Sutekh?  I've heard that it was a canid type of beastie.  I've also heard that that he was a deer-like creature.  I haven't studied this much and would like to know more. 

I've read ideas on what he is, but I don't think anyone has actually settled on a factual answer. Te Velde talks a bit about the nature of the Set beast, but doesn't come to any concrete conclusions either. I've heard aardvarks, I've heard donkeys. I've heard other ideas as well. I tend to lean towards the composite answer. But in the end, I can't say for certain, I guess that doesn't bother me.

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« Reply #6: April 05, 2011, 04:19:02 pm »

I wish I could remember where I read this, but some scholars think that the sha was deliberately chimeric because Big Red represents the foreign, borderland, and strange, and thus an animal that actually existed materially would be too knowable for the lord of the perverse.

I know I've read this somewhere too and it completely makes sense.
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« Reply #7: May 16, 2011, 06:14:23 pm »

Does anyone know of any good articles about the animal that was used to represent Sutekh?  I've heard that it was a canid type of beastie.  I've also heard that that he was a deer-like creature.  I haven't studied this much and would like to know more. 

I'm not sure how based in factual history this is, but in my own investigations I came upon an article which talked about a now 'extinct' creature called a 'Salawa.' The post is unfortunately gone now, but I did fiind a couple of references to the creature: 

http://www.unknown-creatures.com/salawa.html

(and old faithful)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_animal#The_Salawa

As noted on the wiki, 'Destination Truth' determined the Salawa to be a Fennic Fox. Having briefly worked with some of the people involved on that show, I wouldn't take anything they say too seriously, research-wise, but that's another story. Fennic foxes are generally too small and more rodent-like than what we have extant in the record as depictions of S-t.

As such, I'm with the 'composite' (because it represents the 'other' as noted above) or the now 'extinct' 'anti-unicorn' (as I once saw it refered to), but not as a Fennic Fox. I actually really enjoy the irony that it's now surrounded in mythology and mystery, however. It seems so appropriate.

Hope that's some kind of help,

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« Reply #8: May 16, 2011, 06:56:30 pm »

Does anyone know of any good articles about the animal that was used to represent Sutekh?  I've heard that it was a canid type of beastie.  I've also heard that that he was a deer-like creature.  I haven't studied this much and would like to know more. 

With ref to last post, I found the original post I saw this reference on, archived,

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/topic?id=27513


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