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« Topic Start: April 04, 2011, 12:55:20 pm »

A recent discussion ended up with me sending the PM which will be included below to a member who shall remain nameless. The discussion was quite lively and sparked interesting debate which I enjoyed even though I wasn't exactly winning any arguments, but then later, it got kind of not-so-endearing. And as a result I feel the need to get the following statement off my chest and to also let the others involved know that now that I have gotten it off my chest, I greatly appreciate their friendship and kind advice and well wishes and other support especially in regards to my health condition. And please know that this was something I needed t say to clear the air and that I don't wish to name anyone becaus eI didn't and don't hold any ill-will towards any of our fine members here

... but here's what I ended up having to say, and I'll post more information if anyone asks for more details. Also anybody feel free to respond in any way:

... that i took the time to explain my spiritual ideology about a particular issue and was repeatedly told in various manners how it was wrong and should be changed because of how things "are" and how the world and the community operates. And even while I admitted that I can and should bend more considering the situation, and it seemed the we had moved on from that point of contention, I don't exactly appreciate being compared to some jagg-off (no offense to the guy, but at this point I could really care less what similarities we have or who he may personally be) who is very much not me. Just because me and this guy are Santeros and for that matter just because all of us are pagans, doesn't mean we can't disagree. I admit that I can be annoying especially when I start to feel kind of targeted, and I do apologize for annoying you like that as well as the others, but I don't think I've ever spoken out against anyone's spirituality, the way mine was contended a moment ago.

And there it is. Thanks peoples for letting me vent a bit and return to normal.
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« Reply #1: April 04, 2011, 01:47:32 pm »

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After reviewing chat logs and rereading your message above, I'm giving you a formal warning for both personal attacks and picking fights on the forum. This is your second warning - and in just over a week, no less - and any warning that may follow will earn you a week long gag.

I'm going to assume you recall the conversation in chat well enough so I don't have to explain the warning for personal attacks - if not, feel free to contact me or Randall privately and we'll discuss.

Concerning the second part of the warning: You're welcome to take discussion ideas you did up in chat to the board for further conversation. Dragging personal conflicts from chat onto the board, however, is picking a fight and pointless. If you have personal issues with someone in chat, you are free to contact staff to report the problem - we have a log that goes back about 24 hours, and, as you see, will take action on rules violations that take place there. Posting anonymous public replies like you did above will accomplish nothing more but to escalate the situation. If things bother you so much you can't leave them be, please just report them to staff and walk away to calm down.

As always, if you have issues with this call, feel free to contact me, or Randall or Lyric privately.

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« Reply #2: April 05, 2011, 10:18:20 pm »

***MOD HAT ON***

Nick,

After reviewing chat logs and rereading your message above, I'm giving you a formal warning for both personal attacks and picking fights on the forum. This is your second warning - and in just over a week, no less - and any warning that may follow will earn you a week long gag.

I'm going to assume you recall the conversation in chat well enough so I don't have to explain the warning for personal attacks - if not, feel free to contact me or Randall privately and we'll discuss.

Concerning the second part of the warning: You're welcome to take discussion ideas you did up in chat to the board for further conversation. Dragging personal conflicts from chat onto the board, however, is picking a fight and pointless. If you have personal issues with someone in chat, you are free to contact staff to report the problem - we have a log that goes back about 24 hours, and, as you see, will take action on rules violations that take place there. Posting anonymous public replies like you did above will accomplish nothing more but to escalate the situation. If things bother you so much you can't leave them be, please just report them to staff and walk away to calm down.

As always, if you have issues with this call, feel free to contact me, or Randall or Lyric privately.

--Chabas
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I don't mean this to be an argument with a staff decision in any way, and I'm not questioning your call in regard to Nick. With that said, I was in the wrong in chat too. Some of the remarks I made should have been made to Nick in private, and some shouldn't have been made at all. I got caught up in trying to win the argument and ventured into areas I knew would hurt; the only reason it doesn't look like a blatant rules violation from my end was that the vulnerable spots I exploited were ones that people who haven't known Nick for years wouldn't necessarily know existed. I'm as responsible for the drama in chat as he is, and more so for being devious and manipulative. That's not who I want to be, especially not to the kind of person who, when I had nothing, shared everything he had with me. I'm deeply sorry for my role in it and will accept whatever action the mods deem appropriate.
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« Reply #3: April 05, 2011, 10:31:48 pm »

I don't mean this to be an argument with a staff decision in any way, and I'm not questioning your call in regard to Nick. With that said, I was in the wrong in chat too. Some of the remarks I made should have been made to Nick in private, and some shouldn't have been made at all. I got caught up in trying to win the argument and ventured into areas I knew would hurt; the only reason it doesn't look like a blatant rules violation from my end was that the vulnerable spots I exploited were ones that people who haven't known Nick for years wouldn't necessarily know existed. I'm as responsible for the drama in chat as he is, and more so for being devious and manipulative. That's not who I want to be, especially not to the kind of person who, when I had nothing, shared everything he had with me. I'm deeply sorry for my role in it and will accept whatever action the mods deem appropriate.
I greatly appreciate you making this statement, and I again sincerely apologize for what I had said including the post above.
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« Reply #4: April 06, 2011, 08:15:29 am »

I don't mean this to be an argument with a staff decision in any way, and I'm not questioning your call in regard to Nick. With that said, I was in the wrong in chat too. Some of the remarks I made should have been made to Nick in private, and some shouldn't have been made at all. I got caught up in trying to win the argument and ventured into areas I knew would hurt; the only reason it doesn't look like a blatant rules violation from my end was that the vulnerable spots I exploited were ones that people who haven't known Nick for years wouldn't necessarily know existed. I'm as responsible for the drama in chat as he is, and more so for being devious and manipulative. That's not who I want to be, especially not to the kind of person who, when I had nothing, shared everything he had with me. I'm deeply sorry for my role in it and will accept whatever action the mods deem appropriate.


HOST HAT ONAt least part of the mod call was for Nick's behavior toward Shadow, one of this board's Senior staff. He may love getting her "so rilled up like that" but I see no reason for my staff to be treated like that. The mod call stands and I'm issuing an official warning to you for arguing a mod call in public. Nothing more needs to be said on this issue, but some behavior needs to change. I will not tolerate having my volunteer staff "rilled up" for member amusement.

If chat continues to cause issues, I will turn it off -- and ban the people who caused me to do so.
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