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Author Topic: Questions for atheists (non-Bible believers, as well)  (Read 35630 times)
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« Reply #15: June 06, 2011, 02:05:34 pm »

..... popular theory with WHO exactly?  'cause I've never heard of it before.

Radley, Schiffer, Hanover, and Foster, for starters.  You know, for the basics.
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« Reply #16: June 06, 2011, 02:08:46 pm »

Radley, Schiffer, Hanover, and Foster, for starters.  You know, for the basics.

I need WAY more information than that for Google to even begin to help me.  Unless it's supposed to be a car dealership and a beer and so forth.
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« Reply #17: June 06, 2011, 02:40:08 pm »

Please, take no offense to these. I am truly curious how you approach these. I am trying to figure out my beliefs, but I struggle the most with the fulfilled prophecies and history in the Bible.

The thing I struggle the most with: How did the men who wrote the Bible do it with such unity? I mean, the Bible all fits together (or so it seems). Prophecies matched up with the other writers and History.

I'm just really struggling. I want to believe in God, but so many things I can't agree with. How can a loving God do some of the things he did? But then I get stuck on the prophecies and history in the Bible. I know some are vague, but some seem so specific. Also, is the dating of the Bible books accurate? Can we say with 100% belief we know how old they are?

Once again, I'm not meaning any offense and I would appreciate no snarky comments. I am truly asking.

Thanks.

I find that a book that claims to be the word of a loving God that encourages murder, kidnapping and rape through much of the Old Testament leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.

I need WAY more information than that for Google to even begin to help me.  Unless it's supposed to be a car dealership and a beer and so forth.

Maybe it's a law firm.
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« Reply #18: June 06, 2011, 02:45:11 pm »

I find that a book that claims to be the word of a loving God that encourages murder, kidnapping and rape through much of the Old Testament leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.

That brings up an interesting point. Does the Old Testament ever claim its god is loving, or is that a modern interpretation?
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« Reply #19: June 06, 2011, 02:48:00 pm »

That brings up an interesting point. Does the Old Testament ever claim its god is loving, or is that a modern interpretation?

IIRC, the Old Testament G-d loves the people of Israel.  HIS people.  Not all people, not even good people - JUST HIS.  And it's also a VERY different type of love than the super-squishy kind - it's more the "this will hurt me more than you *swat*" kind, I think.
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« Reply #20: June 06, 2011, 02:54:43 pm »

..... popular theory with WHO exactly?  'cause I've never heard of it before.

Really? Its a very popular theory in occult science circles. Its part of a larger theory a reality manipulation based on sexual energy(orgone). The only problem is its hard to test because youd have to somehow controll the reproductive habits of an entire race of people to pull it off, the Bible patriarches probably had no idea what they were doing making as powerful a magik device as the bible. Most of the codes were probably added in by Cabalists via quantum reverse causality.
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« Reply #21: June 06, 2011, 02:59:20 pm »

I need WAY more information than that for Google to even begin to help me.  Unless it's supposed to be a car dealership and a beer and so forth.

I googled "Schiffer orgone" and came up with this: http://educate-yourself.org/dc/dcwhatisorgone.shtml

Maybe unrelated, but still interesting in itself...
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« Reply #22: June 06, 2011, 03:02:21 pm »

That brings up an interesting point. Does the Old Testament ever claim its god is loving, or is that a modern interpretation?

There's a number of scriptures in the Old Testament that talk about it.
Deuteronomy 4:37 talks about how he loved the peoples fathers and brought them out of Egypt.
Isaiah 63:7 talks about his lovingkindness toward the house of Israel.

There's a bunch of others, I can make a bigger list.

Of course that love is directed at his chosen people, everyone else doesn't matter much. But then that theme of everyone else not mattering seems to continue into the New Testament and the idea that if you don't sign on the dotted line and kneel down you're going to burn forever.
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« Reply #23: June 06, 2011, 03:04:50 pm »

There's a number of scriptures in the Old Testament that talk about it.
Deuteronomy 4:37 talks about how he loved the peoples fathers and brought them out of Egypt.
Isaiah 63:7 talks about his lovingkindness toward the house of Israel.

There's a bunch of others, I can make a bigger list.

I'd love to take a look at it when you get a chance. (Amateur biblical scholar here. Grin) I know that in my Baptist church, there was a big "fear is the heart of love" vibe that would interpret some of those verses as... angry, unquestionable parental love, as opposed to that I associate with the term "lovingkindness".
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« Reply #24: June 06, 2011, 03:05:13 pm »

That brings up an interesting point. Does the Old Testament ever claim its god is loving, or is that a modern interpretation?

I think the most orthodox interpretation of Hashem is "lawful neutral".  Canonically I believe He is the source of all good and all evil (but this is something I picked up from a Jewish friend in passing, and may have misinterpreted).
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« Reply #25: June 06, 2011, 03:06:04 pm »

Really? Its a very popular theory in occult science circles.

That would likely explain why none of us have heard of it.
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« Reply #26: June 06, 2011, 03:06:09 pm »

Really? Its a very popular theory in occult science circles. Its part of a larger theory a reality manipulation based on sexual energy(orgone). The only problem is its hard to test because youd have to somehow controll the reproductive habits of an entire race of people to pull it off, the Bible patriarches probably had no idea what they were doing making as powerful a magik device as the bible. Most of the codes were probably added in by Cabalists via quantum reverse causality.


Ah, that explains it.  I have a hard time with things that claim to be scientific while failing the basic criteria of what science actually IS - testable, repeatable, adds to the body of knowledge, doesn't contradict reality.  That sort of thing.
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« Reply #27: June 06, 2011, 03:08:55 pm »

Maybe it's a law firm.

You mean like Wolfram & Hart?  Cheesy
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« Reply #28: June 06, 2011, 03:09:27 pm »

You mean like Wolfram & Hart?  Cheesy

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« Reply #29: June 06, 2011, 03:09:46 pm »

You mean like Wolfram & Hart?  Cheesy

Willy Cheatem & Howe?
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