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« Reply #195: June 11, 2011, 07:51:52 am »

I'm not sure how truth differs from fact.

Truth can be (and often is) subjective. Facts are usually objective.
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« Reply #196: June 11, 2011, 07:57:29 am »

That doesn't make sense to me for some reason.

I'm not sure how truth differs from fact.

Truth: the stars are beautiful.

Fact: the stars are distant suns.  Or, for that matter, fact: the stars are made of dancing goblins.  It can be a FALSE fact. Cheesy

But you really can't refute the beautiful - they might not be beautiful TO YOU, but that changes nothing to the original observer.
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« Reply #197: June 11, 2011, 08:27:45 am »

Truth can be (and often is) subjective. Facts are usually objective.

Like when a Christian states that he's monotheistic and the god of the bible is true even though pre-Mosaic Judaism was polytheistic?

Sorry, I've been reading about pre-Mosaic Judaism it was the first thing that popped into my head.
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« Reply #198: June 11, 2011, 08:31:14 am »

Like when a Christian states that he's monotheistic and the god of the bible is true even though pre-Mosaic Judaism was polytheistic?

More like this: I believe the universe is really big. (I believe science supports me on this one. Grin) And humans are small and only seeing/perceiving part of the picture. So when you get an atheist, monotheist, polytheist, and a pantheist in the room together, they all believe different truths about the nature of Deity. All of these truths may be in some way correct. Everyone maybe be equally factually "wrong", but that doesn't change what they experience.
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« Reply #199: June 11, 2011, 08:33:43 am »

More like this: I believe the universe is really big. (I believe science supports me on this one. Grin) And humans are small and only seeing/perceiving part of the picture. So when you get an atheist, monotheist, polytheist, and a pantheist in the room together, they all believe different truths about the nature of Deity. All of these truths may be in some way correct. Everyone maybe be equally factually "wrong", but that doesn't change what they experience.

I can see what you're saying... I think I'm just used to the hard core bible thumpers view of truth since that's the most exposure I've had to people using that word.
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« Reply #200: June 11, 2011, 08:58:25 am »

I can see what you're saying... I think I'm just used to the hard core bible thumpers view of truth since that's the most exposure I've had to people using that word.

Thank God they don't own the word. Smiley On this forum, I've noticed truth is used more subjectively, which is how I use it too.
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« Reply #201: June 11, 2011, 09:39:28 am »

Thank God they don't own the word. Smiley On this forum, I've noticed truth is used more subjectively, which is how I use it too.

I'm sure they'd like to own that word though.
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« Reply #202: June 11, 2011, 11:19:13 am »

I'm not sure how truth differs from fact.

Truth is a statement of how someone perceives and understands the world.

Facts are like rocks.  If you kick them, they're there.
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« Reply #203: June 11, 2011, 11:22:21 am »

Truth is a statement of how someone perceives and understands the world.

Facts are like rocks.  If you kick them, they're there.

What if it's an imaginary rock?
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« Reply #204: June 11, 2011, 11:40:29 am »

What if it's an imaginary rock?

You can't actually kick an imaginary rock. You can mime kicking a rock, but if it's not there, there's nothing to kick.
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« Reply #205: June 11, 2011, 11:41:48 am »

You can't actually kick an imaginary rock. You can mime kicking a rock, but if it's not there, there's nothing to kick.

What if it stubs my toe?
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« Reply #206: June 11, 2011, 11:47:25 am »

What if it stubs my toe?

Then you have one strong imagination Grin
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« Reply #207: June 11, 2011, 11:58:28 am »

What if it stubs my toe?

You can't stub your toe on something that's not there. If you kick something and there's no solid matter physically occupying that space, you can't stub it.
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« Reply #208: June 11, 2011, 07:15:12 pm »

You can't stub your toe on something that's not there. If you kick something and there's no solid matter physically occupying that space, you can't stub it.

Not even if my imagination is really really strong?
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« Reply #209: June 11, 2011, 11:31:09 pm »

Not even if my imagination is really really strong?

Can your imagination create a rock where there is not? If so, I think you have a future in the whole lead-into-gold business.
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