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« Reply #15: June 21, 2007, 04:00:41 pm »

I have always wondered about the singer from the band Live myself, if you really listen to his lyrics they are amazing.
I know what you mean - "Lightning Crashes" especially.  A few years back I did some poking about on the 'Net on the subject - unfortunately, I don't seem to have the link any more, but IIRC, from Ed I-never-remember-his-last-name's own account of his spirituality, it's a kind of personally-constructed Buddhism/Hinduism-influenced thing, with no references to Paganism-as-we-know-it.  So maybe he'd be pagan but not Pagan?

I've also wondered even harder about Neil Peart (the drummer/lyricist from Rush) - some of those lyrics are even more paganish than Live's, and several songs on the album Counterparts, particularly, indicate that he does know about Paganism-as-we-know-it, and almost have to have a personal-experience component.  Could just be that somebody invited him to a ritual figuring he'd appreciate it (hell, I woulda, if I knew him); I really try hard not to read too much into these things.

Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull.  Still trying not to read too much in, but when you check out the Songs From the Wood album, there doesn't seem to be much wiggle room.

David Martin of The Tea Party (do they have any following outside Canada?) is a CM, I believe Thelemite but I'm not certain.  (Hey, if you go around singing about "Love under Will", people are gonna suspect something.)

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« Reply #16: June 21, 2007, 04:08:44 pm »

Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull.  Still trying not to read too much in, but when you check out the Songs From the Wood album, there doesn't seem to be much wiggle room.
Nice understatement there.

Since we're going back to "my" era Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac is another one.  Someone once told me she was Wiccan.  (This was back before the general public knew the word "Wiccan.")  Like my suspicions about Dr. John, though, this could also easily just be an image thing.
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« Reply #17: June 21, 2007, 04:16:37 pm »

Since we're going back to "my" era Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac is another one.  Someone once told me she was Wiccan.  (This was back before the general public knew the word "Wiccan.") 

Heh.  On the flip side, though, I'd also heard that she was not, she just seemed like she ought to be.  *shrug*  Another reason why I don't tend to concern myself with the religious preferences of public figures; unless they themselves make some kind of statement, it's hard to know what's true.

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« Reply #18: June 21, 2007, 04:41:19 pm »

Heh.  On the flip side, though, I'd also heard that she was not, she just seemed like she ought to be.  *shrug*  Another reason why I don't tend to concern myself with the religious preferences of public figures; unless they themselves make some kind of statement, it's hard to know what's true.
Like I said, "could be image." 

(I'm just in an odd frame of mind today and the Marc Almond thing caught me off guard.)

In the end, it doesn't matter.  While it's nice to feel you might have something in common, what really matters is how the music (or any art) affects you.
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« Reply #19: June 21, 2007, 06:20:19 pm »

Ian Anderson/Jethro Tull.  Still trying not to read too much in, but when you check out the Songs From the Wood album, there doesn't seem to be much wiggle room.


I don't own Songs from the Wood and so I can't say about the actual songs, but from listening to the snippits on iTunes, I'm seeing what you're saying. Quite possible he is/was but Jethro Tull made more than one themed albums (like Aqualung) and so Songs From the Wood could be one like that. That seemed to be a fairly popular thing to do during that time period.

I do recall that on the back of Jethro Tull's Aqualung album there was this verse that started: In the beginning, Man created God... it went on, but I don't remember it. It's been years since I owned that LP. Or rather, since I lived with my parents and I listened to their copy. That could have been their own view, or it could have just fit with the theme of the album - Ian Anderson isn't exactly Mr. Mainstream.  Smiley I do like them though, whatever their collective and individual beliefs may be.

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« Reply #20: June 21, 2007, 06:32:00 pm »

Since we're going back to "my" era Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac is another one.  Someone once told me she was Wiccan.  (This was back before the general public knew the word "Wiccan.")  Like my suspicions about Dr. John, though, this could also easily just be an image thing.

I have it on fairly good authority that she is not Wiccan.
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« Reply #21: June 21, 2007, 06:48:45 pm »

I have it on fairly good authority that she is not Wiccan.

She, herself, has repeatedly denied she is pagan of any stripe.  She sure seems pagan-friendly at least, huh?
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« Reply #22: June 21, 2007, 08:27:31 pm »

Or rather, since I lived with my parents and I listened to their copy.

You guys are making me feel old.  It wasn't until Soft Cell, Rush, Jethro Tull, and Stevie Nicks got mentioned that I even recognized any of the music under discussion.

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« Reply #23: June 21, 2007, 09:35:29 pm »

... Jethro Tull...
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Sorry.  Jukebox in my head.  I'm not feeding it quarters; might be our mutual friend.

(Watch it with that "feeling old" stuff.  I've got several months on you.)

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« Reply #24: June 22, 2007, 11:06:26 am »

She, herself, has repeatedly denied she is pagan of any stripe.
That would indeed be fairly good authority, then!  Cheesy  My bad.
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« Reply #25: June 22, 2007, 04:11:12 pm »

You guys are making me feel old.  It wasn't until Soft Cell, Rush, Jethro Tull, and Stevie Nicks got mentioned that I even recognized any of the music under discussion.

Absent, stuck in the past musically

I agree with you Absent, I had no idea who any of these folks were until those you mentioned. I'm even worse as most of the music that I listen to is either Irish folk music, Irish instrumental, Meatloaf or classical.

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« Reply #26: June 22, 2007, 05:06:30 pm »

Define mainstream.  Tongue

Cassandra Complex headman Rodney Orpheus is a Thelemite, although the band isn't that known these days. If left hand pathers do, there's Marilyn Manson and Marc Almond (who's a CoS initiate). Field of the Nephilim's Carl McCoy hasn't - afak - said anything out right, but his themes are definitely magick/Pagan orientated.

Off-mainstream, there are loads of Pagan musicians.

Manson is left hand pathed for sure,lol......but not a pagan. He used to be a self proclaimed Satanist and at one point appointed as LaVeys right hand man, not by himself but by LaVey but I don't think he currently catergorizes himself. Not sure tho.
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« Reply #27: June 23, 2007, 06:47:35 pm »

Manson is left hand pathed for sure,lol......but not a pagan. He used to be a self proclaimed Satanist and at one point appointed as LaVeys right hand man, not by himself but by LaVey but I don't think he currently catergorizes himself. Not sure tho.

Some Satanists self-define as Pagan...but as far as I know, Marilyn Manson never did.  I heard a rumour that he described himself as an 'experimentl occultist', but this was on a forum.  I haven't seen any interviews etc of late where he has actually talked about the occult - or Satanism for that matter.
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« Reply #28: June 23, 2007, 08:12:40 pm »

Some Satanists self-define as Pagan...but as far as I know, Marilyn Manson never did.  I heard a rumour that he described himself as an 'experimentl occultist', but this was on a forum.  I haven't seen any interviews etc of late where he has actually talked about the occult - or Satanism for that matter.

I know, I don't recall him ever really putting a label on himself except that short lived stint of being a self proclaimed satanist. I'm not sure if it was in honesty or just a jest at the media and their already concrete perception of who they are sure he is,lol. i fond him fascinating, especially his book he wrote. Very disturbing but I feel he is too intelligent to dismiss soley on person feelings about him. Even if you hate him, i'd recommend to anyone reading his book. It gave me alot to think about which came as a surprise to many people I know and who,although they like his music, don't care for him personally. Anothe surprise was that most of them enjoy the intellectual parts of his book.

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« Reply #29: June 23, 2007, 09:31:18 pm »

Speaking of ought to be...I feel that A Perfect Circle should be Pagan, but have no idea if they are. Anyone else know?

If the members of A Perfect Circle (or Tool, for that matter) are anything, they are probably Hermeticists of some stripe - definitely occultists (Tool's <i>Lateralus</i> had some obviously alchemical content), but probably not Pagan. As for Maynard himself, if you read his blog, you'll find copious discussions about the occult.

If you can find the albums, there's the occultist experimental rock group Psychic TV, led by Genesis Breyer P-Orridge. (He's the guy who founded Thee Temple of Psychick Youth (sic)) Again, not Pagan, but...definitely out there in magick land. Grin

There's a Goth/Industrial band by the name of Inkkubus Sukkubus who is quite openly Wiccan, with religious songs. (They've got a myspace.)

And of course, there's always Irish folksinger Loreena McKennit. (At least, I'm pretty sure she's Pagan - she may have denied it at times.)
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