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« Reply #15: April 29, 2011, 08:12:47 am »

Because news channels don't believe their viewers want to watch Canadian politics. Too boring, unimportant.. whatever the reason. And because there is no coverage, not many Americans become aware of events up in Canada, or even care. So even if it's on, they won't watch. Thus, droppage in viewers, and no news channel/company wants that. So it's kind of a vicious cycle that repeats itself.

There's also the problem that most Americans aren't that interested in US politics and the number that aren't seems to go up with every election -- as it becomes more and more obvious that no matter the party, the politicians vote as directed by their corporate connections and campaign donations.
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« Reply #16: April 29, 2011, 10:40:22 am »

  My problem is Harper.  As I told the Conservative candidate, I will vote for you as soon as you get rid of Harper.  Until then, you are still the Reform/Canadian Alliance party since Harper rules over you like a feudal lord.

I don't mind going to the polls again.  I wouldn't care if it was every year.  Normally I like minority goverments, but this one keeps trying to behave like they are a majority.

I agree. I really want rid of Harper for reasons I probably don't need to explain, but I don't think that's going to happen.

I want to vote Green, but it would probably better to vote for a party that could actually win against the Conservatives. The Liberals pick such unfortunate leaders for their party, first with Stephane Dion and now Michael Ignatieff, and I doubt a lot of people want to vote for Ignatieff since it is being made to look like he came back to Canada just to run in this election. Still, anything is better than Harper, in my opinion.

Jack Layton annoys me, so I really don't want to vote NDP. I don't know what it is, it just seems like he's full of crap so it's hard to take him seriously.
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« Reply #17: April 29, 2011, 11:38:47 pm »

I honestly can't either, and it's really starting to get on my nerves when everytime politics come up around my family, and I get asked who I'm voting for, my father always has to chime in with a remark of "Oh, I guess you have no problem with a coalition then!" (I also have to remind myself that my father is deliberately trying to get a rise out of me, and is not a representative of the Conservative fan base as a whole.) I had to laugh (in a Oh-gods-why-are-you-still-saying-that kind of way) at watching the news today where they were re-capping how the parties are doing in the final days leading up to the election, and one of Harper's remarks of there being a "ram-shackle coalition" which will apparently devastate Canada.  Roll Eyes
I don't have a problem with a coalition... if they had what it took to build one and hold it together. That, in itself, would be an earmark of having the skills to govern.

"Coalition government" (not just this hypothetical coalition, but the concept) gets much the same bad rap as "minority government".

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My bets are on the imaginary crown.  Roll Eyes
Mine already were when I posted that, and all the more since I've been examining the options - the NDP website is pretty much The Jack Layton Show.  I had difficulty finding the link that would take me to individual candidates; I finally found it down in the bottom-bar of the page in a tiny font - the place where, in conventional website design, the meta/back-end links (ToS, Privacy Policy, Jobs, Site Powered By) go.  That could be a socialist thing, de-emphasizing the individual and emphasizing their role as party member, so as to avoid personality-cult stuff - except that what's front-and-centre on the website isn't party and platform and ideals, it's all cult of personality.  The Liberals' site isn't quite so bad - more like an ensemble cast with Iggy as the star turn.

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But then again, I have no idea why she chose to run for Saint Boniface, perhaps she didn't have a choice.
Quite possibly, it's that she lives there.  While we don't (I'm pretty certain, thinking about various instances in which parties have chosen what they think are the most favorable ridings for party leaders and other key people to run in) have hard-and-fast requirements about living in the riding one represents, it's a disadvantage.

Also, "tough on crime" tends to play better with middle-class voters who are frightened about crime elsewhere.  (Not that Saint Boniface is solidly middle-class; last time I looked - which, admittedly, was a very long time ago - it was a pretty mixed bag.  But it ain't the North Side.)

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« Reply #18: April 30, 2011, 12:03:50 am »

1) Keith Boag makes the comment, and I happen to agree with him on it, that the Conservatives were perhaps not exactly prepared for when they "shook" (his words) some of the votes from Liberal ridings (and I think as well some of the Bloc Quebecois ones) that for a lot of them to go NDP. Of course who knows what'll happen come election day, and if the votes will stay the same or change.
Much as the Cons love to make much of "the Liberals think they're Canada's Natural Ruling Party!" (and it's not altogether unjust; the Libs are a natural fit for TO, and Torontocentrism comes into play), they're not, and never have been, really challenging the fallacy of "natural ruling party" itself; they just think it's them.

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Other than "They'll form a coalition and then Canada is doomed!". (Regardless if that's the only thing, it seems to be the only thing that Harper is focusing on at the moment with Layton OR Ignatieff.)
I'm heartily sick of "If the other guys get in, Canada is DOOOOOOMED!!!!" in all its forms.  Heck, I don't think Canada is "DOOOOOOMED!!!!" even if the Conservatives win a majority - I think there'll be a bunch of legislation I dislike and think is deeply unjust, so I'd strongly prefer that that not happen, but the country will still be here and functioning when next we go to the polls (which would in that case be in Oct '15, rather than any time up to May '16, thanks to the date-fixing legislation that the Cons brought in - I don't dislike everything they do; some of it, like that bit, I think quite well of.  But note that they had to sell that one to the other parties, or enough MPs from other parties, to bring it in - and did, because it's a good enough idea that it can get multipartisan support... which is why I like minorities.)

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« Reply #19: April 30, 2011, 12:17:26 am »

I want to vote Green, but it would probably better to vote for a party that could actually win against the Conservatives.
Which, given that the way it works isn't directly "vote for a party that can win" but "vote for the non-Conservative candidate most likely to win the seat", and <checks Carnelian's profile> given where you live, probably means voting Liberal.  If you already have a Liberal MP who is standing for re-election, fer gossakes' support hir; incumbents have a significant advantage - if not, you might want to check the site Morag linked to see what the poll numbers are doing.

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Jack Layton annoys me, so I really don't want to vote NDP. I don't know what it is, it just seems like he's full of crap so it's hard to take him seriously.
Yep, I know what you mean.  I keep thinking, "No, I would not buy a used car from this man."

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« Reply #20: May 02, 2011, 06:07:57 pm »

Tonight's the night, folks! Please get out and vote while there's still time left! Smiley

I'm off to vote, and then sit in front of the TV to watch the results. Now all I need is some cake and an NDP opposition, and this would be a very awesome birthday indeed. Cheesy
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« Reply #21: May 03, 2011, 02:14:20 am »

Well, that's the end of it. The Conservative Party of Canada will now form a majority government, with 167 seats (well past the 155 they needed to form one). The NDP will be the official opposition with 102(!!!), the first time ever that the NDP has been able to do that. The Liberals were only able to grab 34 seats (one of the ridings they lost was Ignatieff's own)  the lowest amount of seats the Liberals have ever claimed. The Bloc Quebecois were only able to grab 4 seats (with Duceppe also losing his riding), which might be the biggest shock of the night (although personally I'm equally shocked at the Liberals and Bloc losing so many seats). If you want to read more, check the links below!

Tories to form majority government; NDP official opposition
http://www.globaltoronto.com/decisioncanada/Tories+form+majority+goverment+official+opposition/4713028/story.html

2011 Canadian Election voter turnout may be worst ever
http://www.globaltoronto.com/decisioncanada/2011+Canadian+Election+voter+turnout+worst+ever/4714578/story.html

Green Party leader May unseats BC Tory minister (who has been in that seat since 1997!)
http://www.globaltoronto.com/decisioncanada/Green+party+leader+unseats+Tory+minister/4713872/story.html

Gilles Duceppe steps down after Bloc gets crushed
http://www.globaltoronto.com/decisioncanada/Gilles+Duceppe+steps+down+after+Bloc+gets+crushed/4713958/story.html

Ignatieff loses riding, fate appears grim (but hasn't stated he'll step down)
http://www.globaltoronto.com/decisioncanada/Ignatieff+loses+riding+fate+appears+grim/4714148/story.html

It's certainly going to be an... interesting next four years.
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« Reply #22: May 03, 2011, 06:42:52 pm »

Well, that's the end of it. The Conservative Party of Canada will now form a majority government, with 167 seats (well past the 155 they needed to form one).

OK, so given my progressive political tendencies and my long admiration for the sensible (in relation to the dysfunctional state of the U.S.'s) government of our neighbors to the north...is Canada DOOOOOMED?

(Seriously, though...should I be worried?)
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« Reply #23: May 04, 2011, 12:31:27 am »

OK, so given my progressive political tendencies and my long admiration for the sensible (in relation to the dysfunctional state of the U.S.'s) government of our neighbors to the north...is Canada DOOOOOMED?

(Seriously, though...should I be worried?)
Concerned, I'd say, and watchful if you're so inclined, but probably not outright worried.  There are particular things I expect to see revisited (I'd be surprised if the Tories don't try to reinstitute some form of abortion regulation, f'ex, because a lot of folks see abortion as a "special case" that should have more regulation than other medical procedures; OTOH, while I wouldn't be surprised if they attempted some changes to the same-sex marriage situation, I'd expect it to be more in the line of returning it to being a provincial decision rather than attempting to ban it across the board, and I also wouldn't be surprised if they left it as it is - I'm speaking specifically of party-driven legislation here, not private members' bills where almost anything might come up but often doesn't go anywhere).

Canadian Conservatives as a party, while most comparable to the US's Republicans, are only loosely comparable (that is, they occupy a somewhat-similar place on the increasingly-meaningless and always-has-been-oversimplistic left/right spectrum) - for one thing, as I believe I may have mentioned in the past, some of Canada's socialistic structures have been in place long enough that they don't register on most people, including many conservatives, as being socialist, just as being How Canada Does Things (as indeed they are; Canadian culture as a culture is more socialistic than US culture).  As well, the party still needs to not alienate the supporters it inherited from the old Progressive Conservative party (if they didn't need those supporters, the Reform/Alliance contingent wouldn't have had to merge with the PCs); and not all of the supporters brought into that merger by the Alliance are right-leaning as their predominant feature, either, some are much more interested in parliamentary and electoral reform issues than they are in conservatism per se of any stripe.  And even among those of rightward bent, there's the classic economic conservatism vs social conservatism split.

What I'm hoping for is that parliamentary and electoral reform will garner most of this government's focus - especially given that NDP opposition.  This house is full of those who are intimately familiar with the current system's drawbacks, who - as parties and/or as individual candidates - have not been favored by it.  Nor have they now; their current status is as much as anything the result of internal implosions in the parties that were favored by the status quo - I hope that they are, and remain, conscious of that, rather than supposing that said status quo simply shifted its favor to them.  (Human beings being what they are, I don't necessarily expect it - but I don't think I'm overoptimistic in hoping for it.)

Also:  Elizabeth May Kitteh sez, "I can haz SEAT!!!!"  (Need a pic for that.)  'Bout time.

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« Reply #24: May 04, 2011, 03:57:54 am »

Now all I need is some cake and an NDP opposition, and this would be a very awesome birthday indeed. Cheesy
NDP opposition:  check.

Cake: late, but check.

Many happy returns!

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« Reply #25: May 05, 2011, 12:12:14 am »

NDP opposition:  check.

Cake: late, but check.

Many happy returns!

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Cheesy Thank you very much, Sunflower! Mmm, cakeses.
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« Reply #26: May 05, 2011, 12:33:57 am »

A couple more things of note, dealing with the climate of the Canadian political landscape after this round of elections:

Canada's voter turnout rate inched up to 61.4 per cent, according to Elections Canada's preliminary estimates (which makes the previous article I posted about on this subject moot)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/05/03/cv-election-voter-turnout-1029.html

Tory backers push for 'truly conservative' government
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110504/conservatives-religious-right-supporters-110504/
(For those interested in the abortion debate, this article addresses it. It states that Harper is against anti-abortion laws, but a number of his party members ARE pro-life.)

Ignatieff steps down after leading Liberals to poll disaster
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ignatieff-steps-down-after-leading-liberals-to-poll-disaster-2278517.html

There are way too many articles to source to this at the moment, but it's coming to light that a number of newly-elected NDP MPs are very green and very young (although one does not always mean in the other).

One MP elected is 19, the youngest ever elected...
http://www.thespec.com/news/elections/article/527237--local-mps-say-ndp-newbies-will-get-help-learning-the-ropes

...while another is now being accused of falsifying her nomination papers, as well having spent part of the campaign in Vegas.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rookie-ndp-mp-accused-of-using-falsified-nomination-paper/article2009898/

Four McGill students (1 recently graduated just before the elections) were among those newly elected from the NDP
http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2011/05/four-mcgill-students-elected-to-parliament/

Among these things not going well for the NDP party (at least for the falsification accusation-- for now), Layton's deputy has publicly come out to say he doubts there are actually photos of Osama bin Laden after he was shot to death:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/04/pol-mulcair-osama.html

After he publicly stated this, the party issued a statement saying they don't see any reason for Obama to lie about the photos.
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