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« Reply #15: May 06, 2011, 06:31:05 pm »

You know, I've never come across spells that call for using your own power, but I would absolutely LOVE to find them if you could so kindly point me into the right direction!

You might check out a couple of classics: Marion Green's _A Witch Alone_ and Marian Weinstein's _Positive Magick_ are both pretty non-deity centered. (Green's is more nature centered). Both give some solid skills and explanation work.

On the more general topic of building relationship with a deity - well, it's a relationship. People who come out of abusive relationships (or just ones that went badly, with a lot of attached pain) with other humans usually need some time and space to begin thinking about new relationships again. On the other hand, that doesn't mean that all relationships are like that. It may just mean that some time thinking about what you really care about most, and then doing stuff that builds those different kinds of relationships might work.

People on here talk about deity interactions in a number of ways - if you read for a while (a few months, not just a few days or weeks: it's a topic that comes up, but not *tons*, in part because it's complicated for a lot of people to talk about in public for various reasons) and read back posts, you may find some seeds of things to think about, and see if it's something you'd like to maybe pursue more seriously down the road.

It might also help to know that for many Pagans, people don't necessarily care what you believe, as much as they care about other sides of that issue. People I'm talking to online can believe what they want, and can be non-deist, or pantheist, or animist, or whatever, and it's just fine. (Even though I'm an ardent polytheist myself.) What I care about is that they don't dismiss *my* experiences, and that they don't expect me to do things that I feel are destructive to my relationships with my deities.

Asking me to remove deities from the equation in talking about my experiences is like asking me (as a librarian) to stop talking about stuff I've read recently - it just isn't going to happen without a major change in me at a deeply fundamental level, because it's so tied in with how I spend my time, where I spend it, and who and what I spend it with.  But there's lots of places that stuff might be relevant to people who are non-deistic (or pantheistic, or animistic, or whatever) too.
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« Reply #16: May 06, 2011, 07:26:07 pm »

All I want to do is witchcraft.

Then you need to learn from the ground up.  The book recommendations you've been given are great, especially (IMV) Mastering Witchcraft.  Becoming a witch isn't something you do overnight, or by decision alone.  There is a whole set of skills to master, actually several sets, depending on what style works best for you.  If you don't want to put years into it you can go to a botanica or a site like Lucky Mojo and buy spells - this isn't cheating, it is like buying bread instead of making your own.  Bought spells don't depend on your own skill and experience.

To do your own witchcraft, I would advise that the first thing you should do is assess your strengths.  This involves finding out what skills are part of the craft as you wish to practice it, and whether you have them.  Things like grounding, focusing, discipline, attention span, identifying your true will.  Researching these will tell you about other skills you might want to acquire, like memory, poetry, dance, bragging, meditating.  Researching these will etc. etc.... (I said it wasn't instant Cheesy).

Simple charms and invocations are best to start with, to strengthen your muscles and let you experiment with things that are not likely to go drastically wrong.  The justice spell you keep talking about might be well motivated and important, but without a basic understanding of magic and at least a little bit of competence with the skills involved you run the risk of tying your fate to the person you want to bring to justice, or invest so much of your personal strength and emotion that you are tied to him yourself.

Getting a list of ingredients and a recitation is only a small part of getting a spell.  The underlying concepts and skills are very important.

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« Reply #17: May 10, 2011, 10:35:33 am »

In my personal experience when I was a newbie, when I invoked a Deity I had no connection/relationship with just for a spell - no matter the amount of please's and offerings - my spell would not work.
As others have said, imho you need to have a connection with that Deity if you call on Them for help with your spellcraft. Pure witchcraft does not require Gods.

Marian Green's 'A Witch Alone' was a blessing in my early years but is very nature-based. If you're more of a city-dweller, I enjoyed Christopher Penczak's 'City Magick' but milaege may vary on that one.

Lastly...practice, practice, practice.
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« Reply #18: May 28, 2011, 11:53:16 pm »

I agree.  NEVER call upon a Deity unless you are familiar with them and their attributes.  Especially Hekate.  And if you are using a spell as a call for justice, make damn sure that you have no faults in the situation.  Every party responsible can/will be punished.   
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« Reply #19: May 29, 2011, 06:44:53 am »

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« Reply #20: May 29, 2011, 02:59:19 pm »

I agree.  NEVER call upon a Deity unless you are familiar with them and their attributes.  Especially Hekate.

So.....what's so different about Hekate that she should be treated so much more carefully than other deities?
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« Reply #21: May 30, 2011, 10:42:00 pm »

So.....what's so different about Hekate that she should be treated so much more carefully than other deities?


Hecate, as far as witches go, is generally held in very high honor.
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« Reply #22: May 30, 2011, 11:28:21 pm »

Hecate, as far as witches go, is generally held in very high honor.

that and she is considered to be one of the more volatile ones,if say you misstep or miss Ed things,she's one of themselves what miight gives you what you neeeeed and not really what you wanted. lol
everyone's experiences with any diety usually vary too. different folks form different bonds or on different levels.

I have a question though....are you all talking about actual invoking? or do you mean Evoking?
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« Reply #23: May 31, 2011, 02:15:42 am »

Hecate, as far as witches go, is generally held in very high honor.

Hardly universal, and when it comes to deities with which you're not acquainted, I think they tend to be deserving of a rather equal measure of respect across the board. That some witches - or whoever- hold her in particular high honor does not obligate anyone else to treat her with more (or less!) respect than any other deity.

I've noticed that there are certain deities out there that you frequently see labeled as "not for beginners" or deities that you should treat with a special amount of respect or honor among others.

And just to be clear, I'm not saying that she is deserving of less respect, but that other deities are deserving of equal respect
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« Reply #24: May 31, 2011, 02:27:40 am »

I have a question though....are you all talking about actual invoking? or do you mean Evoking?

If she wants the assistance of Hekate, I would assume that actual presence is desired, not just a feeling, so I would think that the answer is probably invocation.
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« Reply #25: May 31, 2011, 09:56:28 am »

If she wants the assistance of Hekate, I would assume that actual presence is desired, not just a feeling, so I would think that the answer is probably invocation.

These type discussions always get me intrigued.  Some would say she (OP) need's to Invoke Hekate and her spirit into herself to achieve her desires.  Other's would say she should evoke Hekate before her and plead her cause and ask her assistance in the matter.

Myself personaly I'd rather have a slightly annoyed goddess before me than one inside of me, though either situation can be very painful.
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« Reply #26: May 31, 2011, 10:29:39 am »

If she wants the assistance of Hekate, I would assume that actual presence is desired, not just a feeling, so I would think that the answer is probably invocation.

This is one of those places where defining terms can help - if it helps, the way I use them is that one can invoke a deity into a controlled space (such as a statue or other symbol, etc.), without necessarily invoking them into a person (as in Drawing Down/aspecting/related practices): they're fully present, but they don't have a body to do things with.

One can also evoke - call the spark of divinity out of oneself, for example, or draw a more general sense of lighter presence into being (in a circle, for example - controlled but varied space).

In general, invocation is likely to have more consequences, and more places where something going wrong could be cause for concern. And, as probably seems logical, invoking into a person has a lot more consequences/things to be careful of than invoking into a statue or other object.
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« Reply #27: June 01, 2011, 03:29:02 am »

This is one of those places where defining terms can help - if it helps, the way I use them is that one can invoke a deity into a controlled space (such as a statue or other symbol, etc.), without necessarily invoking them into a person (as in Drawing Down/aspecting/related practices): they're fully present, but they don't have a body to do things with.

One can also evoke - call the spark of divinity out of oneself, for example, or draw a more general sense of lighter presence into being (in a circle, for example - controlled but varied space).

In general, invocation is likely to have more consequences, and more places where something going wrong could be cause for concern. And, as probably seems logical, invoking into a person has a lot more consequences/things to be careful of than invoking into a statue or other object.


yes I tend to think of evoke as calling the deity to be present in the same room as you,like hanging out beside you in a sense,and invoking is a bigger deal.....calling the strength of the deity to enter you type thing.
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« Reply #28: June 01, 2011, 09:43:41 am »

If she wants the assistance of Hekate, I would assume that actual presence is desired, not just a feeling, so I would think that the answer is probably invocation.
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« Reply #29: June 01, 2011, 10:47:01 am »

*sigh* this happens to me all the time. I'm a dude.

If it bothers you that people are constantly getting it wrong, you really shouldn't have a female avatar pic.  People will see that and guess wrong.

Also, it's the internet.  It's always a 50/50 shot at best, and the membership here is more female than male.  "she" is more likely to be correct than "he".

And if "he" is acceptable as gender-neutral, why isn't "she" just as acceptable?
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