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« Reply #60: June 11, 2011, 07:16:17 am »

LOL  Cheesy I assume you're a former member as well, am I right?

If they found out I am now an agnostic atheist after being a committed christian for many years, I am sure they would probably want to pray over me, and blah blah blah.

My agnostic atheism is the result of many years of seeking and not finding anything. I thought one day, what if there is no god? Then I am merely seeking a delusion to satisfy some weird craving I have for a solid spirituality.

Then I realized I need to stop trying to force myself to believe in anything. AND THEN I realized that I am free to do anything now that I'm not chained down by a religion's dogma.

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How can you be an agnostic, atheist and a follower of Odin? Isn't that all full of contradictions?
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« Reply #61: June 11, 2011, 07:38:56 am »

How can you be an agnostic, atheist and a follower of Odin? Isn't that all full of contradictions?

Colour me confused.....  Huh
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« Reply #62: June 11, 2011, 07:43:04 am »

Colour me confused.....  Huh

Me too, that's why I want some clarification.
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« Reply #63: June 11, 2011, 01:18:29 pm »

How can you be an agnostic, atheist and a follower of Odin? Isn't that all full of contradictions?

This is the label I used when I was agnostic only, and not yet an atheist. Obviously you can't believe and not believe at the same time.

The only reason I am an atheist now is because I got fed up with seeking and decided instead of seeking something, to seek nothing instead.

I feel a bit freer, but I also feel lost at times as well. Also, life seems a lot more boring without religion. Letting go of something you've known your entire life is hard. I mean, if there truly was a god, you'd think he would've said by now, "Hey, follow this religion, it's perfect for you" or something. lol.
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« Reply #64: June 11, 2011, 07:19:46 pm »

This is the label I used when I was agnostic only, and not yet an atheist. Obviously you can't believe and not believe at the same time.

The only reason I am an atheist now is because I got fed up with seeking and decided instead of seeking something, to seek nothing instead.

I feel a bit freer, but I also feel lost at times as well. Also, life seems a lot more boring without religion. Letting go of something you've known your entire life is hard. I mean, if there truly was a god, you'd think he would've said by now, "Hey, follow this religion, it's perfect for you" or something. lol.

So for you if god(s) and goddess(es) aren't overt they aren't there?
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« Reply #65: June 11, 2011, 07:34:18 pm »

So for you if god(s) and goddess(es) aren't overt they aren't there?

Well, that's a big part of it. There's absolutely no proof one way or another that they exist. Also I got fed up with dealing with supposedly "real" gods, who - when I believed in them - didn't seem to care one bit about me.

So I'm thinking all religions got it wrong when it comes to god(s). I guess I'm getting cynical in my old age.   Tongue

So for now I'm choosing to leave it all alone and just be an agnostic atheist for now. If I choose to believe in the future, so be it. If I continue being an atheist the rest of my life, so be it. Either way is cool - as long as I don't go back to my old church.
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« Reply #66: June 11, 2011, 07:42:14 pm »

Well, that's a big part of it. There's absolutely no proof one way or another that they exist. Also I got fed up with dealing with supposedly "real" gods, who - when I believed in them - didn't seem to care one bit about me.

So I'm thinking all religions got it wrong when it comes to god(s). I guess I'm getting cynical in my old age.   Tongue

So for now I'm choosing to leave it all alone and just be an agnostic atheist for now. If I choose to believe in the future, so be it. If I continue being an atheist the rest of my life, so be it. Either way is cool - as long as I don't go back to my old church.

er sorry maybe I'm confused but it doesn't seem you've actually explained how you're an agnostic AND an atheist.
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« Reply #67: June 11, 2011, 07:51:07 pm »

Well, that's a big part of it. There's absolutely no proof one way or another that they exist. Also I got fed up with dealing with supposedly "real" gods, who - when I believed in them - didn't seem to care one bit about me.

So I'm thinking all religions got it wrong when it comes to god(s). I guess I'm getting cynical in my old age.   Tongue

So for now I'm choosing to leave it all alone and just be an agnostic atheist for now. If I choose to believe in the future, so be it. If I continue being an atheist the rest of my life, so be it. Either way is cool - as long as I don't go back to my old church.

When you were involving yourself with Christianity, how often did you pray and how often to you read and study your bible? Did you know that God at all?

Also with Odin, did you expect him to do stuff for you just because you professed faith in him or did you do anything for him?

To quote the bible on the matter since you have been involved with Christianity, James:2:20 says "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" Of course the majority of Christian churches out there ignore that verse.

A lot of people said it earlier in this thread, what did you really do for them?

I'm not talking about going to a soup kitchen and helping people out, I mean did you go out and do evangelical work? The Bible says to be like Christ, so what did he do? He went out and told people they were sinners and called them to repent. He healed the sick. Feed the poor. etc...

What I'm saying is, what did you sacrifice?
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« Reply #68: June 11, 2011, 10:47:36 pm »

When you were involving yourself with Christianity, how often did you pray and how often to you read and study your bible? Did you know that God at all?

Also with Odin, did you expect him to do stuff for you just because you professed faith in him or did you do anything for him?

To quote the bible on the matter since you have been involved with Christianity, James:2:20 says "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" Of course the majority of Christian churches out there ignore that verse.

A lot of people said it earlier in this thread, what did you really do for them?

I'm not talking about going to a soup kitchen and helping people out, I mean did you go out and do evangelical work? The Bible says to be like Christ, so what did he do? He went out and told people they were sinners and called them to repent. He healed the sick. Feed the poor. etc...

What I'm saying is, what did you sacrifice?

I don't proselytize to anyone. Ever. I don't believe in forcing god on anyone. I don't now and I didn't as a christian.
About the rest of your paragraph, this was discussed in earlier pages of this (I do believe) thread.

I decided on atheism because I got fed up with looking. I can finally say I gave up. Not to say, however, that I don't miss religion one way or another. For this, I quote a famous X-Files quote:

I WANT TO BELIEVE.
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« Reply #69: June 12, 2011, 12:43:45 am »

I don't proselytize to anyone. Ever. I don't believe in forcing god on anyone. I don't now and I didn't as a christian.
About the rest of your paragraph, this was discussed in earlier pages of this (I do believe) thread.

I decided on atheism because I got fed up with looking. I can finally say I gave up. Not to say, however, that I don't miss religion one way or another. For this, I quote a famous X-Files quote:

I WANT TO BELIEVE.

Proselyting isn't forcing god on people.
And yes what I said was discussed, but it was never really answered.

Wouldn't agnosticism be better then atheism for you though. Sounds like you're one of the ones that think there could be something, but you don't know the who, what, when, where, why or how.
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« Reply #70: June 12, 2011, 06:24:37 am »

Proselyting isn't forcing god on people.
And yes what I said was discussed, but it was never really answered.

Wouldn't agnosticism be better then atheism for you though. Sounds like you're one of the ones that think there could be something, but you don't know the who, what, when, where, why or how.

Agnostic and atheist are completely compatible.  Atheist means you believe there are no gods - agnostic means you're willing to keep an open mind on the subject.

Like, I believe there are no flying pigs, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise when one oinks by overhead.
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« Reply #71: June 12, 2011, 06:35:24 am »

Agnostic and atheist are completely compatible.  Atheist means you believe there are no gods - agnostic means you're willing to keep an open mind on the subject.

Like, I believe there are no flying pigs, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise when one oinks by overhead.

Yeah, I never thought of it that way... always thought of agnostics as believing something was there they just don't know what.
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« Reply #72: June 12, 2011, 08:13:19 am »

Yeah, I never thought of it that way... always thought of agnostics as believing something was there they just don't know what.

Nope, it's just not knowing.

What's really fun?  Militant agnostics.  "I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU!"
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« Reply #73: June 12, 2011, 01:11:40 pm »

Agnostic and atheist are completely compatible.  Atheist means you believe there are no gods - agnostic means you're willing to keep an open mind on the subject.

Yep. Smiley I don't believe in any gods, but I don't claim to know either way.  Cool
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« Reply #74: June 12, 2011, 02:39:07 pm »

What's really fun?  Militant agnostics.  "I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU!"

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