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« Reply #15: June 03, 2011, 02:12:12 pm »

You don't think the executives from Goldman Sachs would be under threat from the other prisoners?  because I bet you they would.
They'll end up in some minimum security prison. So no.
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« Reply #16: June 03, 2011, 03:09:34 pm »

You don't think the executives from Goldman Sachs would be under threat from the other prisoners?  because I bet you they would.

Not really, and not for long. They'd get a bail hearing fairly quickly.

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« Reply #17: June 03, 2011, 03:38:05 pm »

Not really, and not for long. They'd get a bail hearing fairly quickly.



Not only that, but I suspect they'd get to spend time in one of the nicer facilities at the taxpayers' expense. Those tend to have a better class of criminal.
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« Reply #18: June 03, 2011, 05:07:14 pm »

Not only that, but I suspect they'd get to spend time in one of the nicer facilities at the taxpayers' expense. Those tend to have a better class of criminal.

Once convicted, yes.  Severity of confinement is relative to likelyhood of attempting escape.
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« Reply #19: June 03, 2011, 08:39:39 pm »

Once convicted, yes.  Severity of confinement is relative to likelyhood of attempting escape.

I'm trying to envision the survival skill set in this type of person. LOL
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« Reply #20: June 04, 2011, 02:23:17 am »

I'm trying to envision the survival skill set in this type of person. LOL
I suspect Sideshow Bob is not especially representative. Grin Besides, they have too much to loose if they try to escape. They're invested in the system and it doesn't serve them to buck it in any way that would draw undue attention.
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« Reply #21: June 04, 2011, 06:47:40 pm »

They'll end up in some minimum security prison. So no.


These people have the resources to break out of a minimum security prison with relative ease.

We need more security than that.

Also even in minimum security there's a good chance that many of the other inmates lost their livelihoods becuase of these men's actions, there's an easy arguement that they are in danger.

And any normal human who did the things they did would be suicidal with guilt, so we had definitely better take their underwear away.
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« Reply #22: June 04, 2011, 08:27:55 pm »

These people have the resources to break out of a minimum security prison with relative ease.

We need more security than that.

Also even in minimum security there's a good chance that many of the other inmates lost their livelihoods becuase of these men's actions, there's an easy arguement that they are in danger.

And any normal human who did the things they did would be suicidal with guilt, so we had definitely better take their underwear away.
[T]hey have too much to loose if they try to escape. They're invested in the system and it doesn't serve them to buck it in any way that would draw undue attention.

But also lol
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« Reply #23: June 04, 2011, 10:01:01 pm »

Not really, and not for long. They'd get a bail hearing fairly quickly.



Not if they are treated like Manning they wouldn't.
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« Reply #24: June 04, 2011, 10:01:49 pm »

Once convicted, yes.  Severity of confinement is relative to likelyhood of attempting escape.

Not once convicted.  Manning was confined in solitary, with his undies taken away, without a trial.
The rules have changed.
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« Reply #25: June 04, 2011, 10:15:44 pm »

Not once convicted.  Manning was confined in solitary, with his undies taken away, without a trial.
The rules have changed.

You really need to learn about the issue. The rules are the same as they have been for decades.


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« Reply #26: June 04, 2011, 10:21:04 pm »

These people have the resources to break out of a minimum security prison with relative ease.

We need more security than that.

Also even in minimum security there's a good chance that many of the other inmates lost their livelihoods becuase of these men's actions, there's an easy arguement that they are in danger.

And any normal human who did the things they did would be suicidal with guilt, so we had definitely better take their underwear away.

These folks might have the resources to break out of a super max prison.  What keeps them in prison, even a minimum security one, is they'd lose even more by attempting to escape. First, if caught they'd be moved to a more secure facility with more restrictions on them. Second, if they did escape, they could not go near their money (if any remained), their friends or family. Their friends or family definately have a lot to lose by helping an escaped prisoner.

And no, they are unlikely to be suicidal.  Unless you think that every prisoner in prison is suicidal since a "normal" person wouldn't rape, murder, etc.
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« Reply #27: June 04, 2011, 11:13:36 pm »

These folks might have the resources to break out of a super max prison.  What keeps them in prison, even a minimum security one, is they'd lose even more by attempting to escape. First, if caught they'd be moved to a more secure facility with more restrictions on them. Second, if they did escape, they could not go near their money (if any remained), their friends or family. Their friends or family definately have a lot to lose by helping an escaped prisoner.

And no, they are unlikely to be suicidal.  Unless you think that every prisoner in prison is suicidal since a "normal" person wouldn't rape, murder, etc.

My point is not that they would be suicidal, or would break out.  It's that an argument to put them in the same conditions as Manning is not unreasonable.
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« Reply #28: June 05, 2011, 11:33:26 am »

My point is not that they would be suicidal, or would break out.  It's that an argument to put them in the same conditions as Manning is not unreasonable.

It is unreasonable.  Method of confinement is not part of the punishment.  What you are advocating is cruel and unusual punishment since the restrictions are part of the punishment, not part keeping the prisoners in prison or alive.

Now, if you want to extend such measures to all prisoners, then you might have a case that such treatment is the new normal. So, the guy who misses a couple of child support payments gets the solitary confinement plus prevention of injury measures.
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« Reply #29: June 05, 2011, 02:58:02 pm »

It is unreasonable.  Method of confinement is not part of the punishment.  What you are advocating is cruel and unusual punishment since the restrictions are part of the punishment, not part keeping the prisoners in prison or alive.

Now, if you want to extend such measures to all prisoners, then you might have a case that such treatment is the new normal. So, the guy who misses a couple of child support payments gets the solitary confinement plus prevention of injury measures.


So what is the difference between these guys, who are practicing economic terrorism against our country, and Manning? Or more specifically, what makes him deserving of extra-judicial action without a trial and them not?

Missing child support payments is not aiding and abetting the enemy, crashing our economic system is.
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