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« Topic Start: May 16, 2011, 06:29:58 pm »

An interesting analysis in The Hill, taking a different approach to finding out what Americans think is going wrong with our country. (Full disclosure: The commentary is written by a friend of mine; he's been working on this research for a while, and I find its results fascinating.)

Memo to Lawmakers: Speak to Voters as Citizens

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« Reply #1: May 16, 2011, 08:44:09 pm »

An interesting analysis in The Hill, taking a different approach to finding out what Americans think is going wrong with our country. (Full disclosure: The commentary is written by a friend of mine; he's been working on this research for a while, and I find its results fascinating.)

I'd like to see a lot more on this research than what this short blog post can give.
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« Reply #2: May 16, 2011, 10:37:05 pm »

An interesting analysis in The Hill, taking a different approach to finding out what Americans think is going wrong with our country. (Full disclosure: The commentary is written by a friend of mine; he's been working on this research for a while, and I find its results fascinating.)

Memo to Lawmakers: Speak to Voters as Citizens


http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/161503-memo-to-lawmakers-speak-to-voters-as-citizens?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dd19afca708f8be%2C0

Interesting. I really would like to know more bout the study and what measures they took to get a representative sample, how the questions were formatted, how it was interpreted, etc.

On an unrelated note, the only comment currently on that article (by "Landru") is a spectacular example of idiocy which made my roommate think I'm crazy from my resulting mixture of laughter and an urge to hit things/cry/give up in exasperation.
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« Reply #3: May 16, 2011, 10:42:23 pm »

Interesting. I really would like to know more bout the study and what measures they took to get a representative sample, how the questions were formatted, how it was interpreted, etc.

On an unrelated note, the only comment currently on that article (by "Landru") is a spectacular example of idiocy which made my roommate think I'm crazy from my resulting mixture of laughter and an urge to hit things/cry/give up in exasperation.

What, you don't believe in Obama's 'marixist' agenda?!  Shocked

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« Reply #4: May 16, 2011, 10:57:31 pm »

What, you don't believe in Obama's 'marixist' agenda?!  Shocked

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How did he get to be 'Marxist'?  I thought he was supposed to be a radical Muslim.
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« Reply #5: May 16, 2011, 10:59:10 pm »

What, you don't believe in Obama's 'marixist' agenda?!  Shocked

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For some reason the "marixa" sounds like some kind of South American dance to me so Obama as a "marixist" conjures images which involve lots of hip swinging and Michelle Obama in scandalously little clothing...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6: May 17, 2011, 05:17:07 am »

I'd like to see a lot more on this research than what this short blog post can give.

I know they did a series of focus groups, some with Democrats, some with Republicans, and some with independents...which automatically skews the results somewhat, since that means they only spoke with those registered to vote. So any claims to being representative of the U.S. population as a whole should be taken with that in mind.
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« Reply #7: May 17, 2011, 05:19:13 am »

On an unrelated note, the only comment currently on that article (by "Landru") is a spectacular example of idiocy which made my roommate think I'm crazy from my resulting mixture of laughter and an urge to hit things/cry/give up in exasperation.

I know. I took one read, rolled my eyes, and posted a comment of my own--one that actually reflected what the article was discussing.
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« Reply #8: May 17, 2011, 08:11:42 am »

On an unrelated note, the only comment currently on that article (by "Landru") is a spectacular example of idiocy which made my roommate think I'm crazy from my resulting mixture of laughter and an urge to hit things/cry/give up in exasperation.

Sadly, this type of comment is far to common in US political discussions today (and all sides do them). They "poison the well" and make real discussion almost impossible.
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How did he get to be 'Marxist'?  I thought he was supposed to be a radical Muslim.

You can totally be both, at least according to Wikipedia.  Where they lose me is when they call him a Muslim Commie Atheist who follows a radical minister.... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10: May 17, 2011, 07:09:02 pm »

You can totally be both, at least according to Wikipedia.  Where they lose me is when they call him a Muslim Commie Atheist who follows a radical minister.... Roll Eyes

I know someone whose religion was Communism, (he had a hard time when the USSR collapsed), I do not know if Atheism is a religion. 
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« Reply #11: May 17, 2011, 11:36:33 pm »

Where they lose me is when they call him a Muslim Commie Atheist who follows a radical minister.... Roll Eyes
I suspect those who do so only have a vague notion what any of those things mean (other than "different!  bad!").

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I know someone whose religion was Communism, (he had a hard time when the USSR collapsed), I do not know if Atheism is a religion. 

I don't really see how Communism, which is an economic ideology, can be a religion.  I can easily see how it could be tied up with religion, but I don't see how it could stand as a full-blown religion in and of itself.

Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of a belief in god(s), and usually implies, though does not strictly mean, an absence of general belief in the supernatural.  There are atheists who believe in astrology, and I'm pretty sure you can be a Buddhist atheist, f'ex, though it wouldn't be a very popular stance among most gnu atheists.* Cheesy 




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« Reply #13: May 19, 2011, 12:34:42 am »

I don't really see how Communism, which is an economic ideology, can be a religion.  I can easily see how it could be tied up with religion, but I don't see how it could stand as a full-blown religion in and of itself.

The person I am speaking of maintained that it was.  At the time I was not into religion, so I did not question it.

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I suspect those who do so only have a vague notion what any of those things mean (other than "different!  bad!").

But of course; that shit is designed to completely bypass the frontal lobes. Roll Eyes
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