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« Reply #30: June 10, 2011, 06:25:11 pm »

Both Darkhawk and myself understand the concept of figurative language.  We may also metaphorically describe someone's prospects or luck as "golden" or say that blonde hair is "golden" by being colored like gold.  You may figuratively described your tired, heavy limbs as "leaden," because it compares them to lead, and so on.  It does not change that "golden" literally means "of gold," and metaphorically can mean "like gold."  "Brazen" literally means "of bronze," and metaphorically can mean "like bronze."  (We use it sometimes to talk about an audacity of character, but it is again in comparison to bronze.)  Saying a statue is "bronze" or "brazen" is not a meaningfully different translation.  It means "made of bronze."  It does not have another meaning except by way of figurative comparison to bronze.



Well just have to agree to disagree I suppose for adjective usage wise both are correct usage and defination of the word.
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« Reply #31: June 10, 2011, 06:27:41 pm »

Well just have to agree to disagree I suppose for adjective usage wise both are correct usage and defination of the word.

Pretty sure they aren't disagreeing with you at all. You're arguing a point they've both acknowledged.

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bra·zen  [brey-zuhn]
adjective
1.shameless or impudent: brazen presumption.
2.made of brass.
3.like brass, as in sound, color, or strength.
verb (used with object)
4.to make brazen or bold.

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« Reply #32: June 10, 2011, 06:28:26 pm »

Well just have to agree to disagree I suppose for adjective usage wise both are correct usage and defination of the word.

Are you familiar with the term "to mansplain"?
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« Reply #33: June 10, 2011, 06:39:01 pm »

Pretty sure they aren't disagreeing with you at all. You're arguing a point they've both acknowledged.

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bra·zen  [brey-zuhn]
adjective
1.shameless or impudent: brazen presumption.
2.made of brass.
3.like brass, as in sound, color, or strength.
verb (used with object)
4.to make brazen or bold.



I admit I might be reading what is being said wrong, I have no problems admitting that.  It's just coming across to me that the only proper defination is made of brass / bronze and everything else is not quite correct or not as correct in usage.

I equally admit I am still figuring out the words usage and speaking patterns of people here so do not have that all resolved as to what is being said, what is being implied and what I am seeing versus what they are saying.  that's where lack of body language is a real killer for me.
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« Reply #34: June 10, 2011, 06:46:17 pm »

Are you familiar with the term "to mansplain"?

Nope, never heard of it before this thread.  But after looking it up I can asure you i'm not the "flouncing" type.

As I stated in my previous response to me it kept coming across as the defination of "Made of brass / bronze" is the only acceptable or correct defination of the word Brazen by what is being said.
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« Reply #35: June 10, 2011, 07:19:58 pm »

I admit I might be reading what is being said wrong, I have no problems admitting that.  It's just coming across to me that the only proper defination is made of brass / bronze and everything else is not quite correct or not as correct in usage.

The point is that you suggested, repeatedly, that "that thing is made of bronze" is some kind of metaphor for "that thing is made of bronze."  It's more the case that "that thing is made of bronze" just flat-out means "that thing is made of bronze".
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« Reply #36: June 10, 2011, 08:24:36 pm »

Wow, this thread took off all of the sudden.
Thank you everyone for your input. It's very helpful. Smiley
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« Reply #37: June 11, 2011, 05:55:01 am »

Nope, never heard of it before this thread.  But after looking it up I can asure you i'm not the "flouncing" type.
Where did you look it up, that so strongly associated it with flouncing?

... Never mind, I did my own Google search and see that the first hit is the Urban Dictionary, in which just one of the several definitions (one that doesn't connect all that closely to what it was coined to indicate) makes reference to the possibility of a subsequent flounce.

Most of those who are prone to mansplaining are "not the 'flouncing' type".  This is a good example of why UD is better for getting a very general idea of usage, than for pinning down precise meaning.

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« Reply #38: June 11, 2011, 06:01:52 am »

... Never mind, I did my own Google search and see that the first hit is the Urban Dictionary, in which just one of the several definitions (one that doesn't connect all that closely to what it was coined to indicate) makes reference to the possibility of a subsequent flounce.

Thanks for doing the legwork, Sunflower.  That link is a really nice, concise sumup of the term.  I hope it proves illuminating.
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« Reply #39: June 11, 2011, 06:20:12 am »

Thanks for doing the legwork, Sunflower.  That link is a really nice, concise sumup of the term.  I hope it proves illuminating.
Not much legwork - I have an extensive collection of browser bookmarks on a wide variety of subjects, so all I had to do was select the one on that subject that I remembered as being a particularly good summary from back when the term was first coming into wide usage.

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