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« Topic Start: May 25, 2011, 11:31:54 am »

Well, as I feared, but hadn't heard about until now, the doomsday predictions DID have more serious consequences than just folks losing a lot of money and face.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110524/sc_livescience/faileddoomsdayhasrealdeadlyconsequences
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« Reply #1: May 25, 2011, 11:36:22 am »

Well, as I feared, but hadn't heard about until now, the doomsday predictions DID have more serious consequences than just folks losing a lot of money and face.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110524/sc_livescience/faileddoomsdayhasrealdeadlyconsequences

I suppose it had to happen, didn't it? I was hoping that this wouldn't happen this time.......
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« Reply #2: May 25, 2011, 11:37:49 am »

I suppose it had to happen, didn't it? I was hoping that this wouldn't happen this time.......

Yeah, me too.  I know lots of folks will say that the people who did it were idiots and all that, but... I still feel sorry for them. Belief is such a powerful, powerful thing and it shouldn't be taken lightly. Not that I think Mr. Rapture Predictor was being light with it at all, which makes it all the more dangerous.
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« Reply #3: May 25, 2011, 12:04:13 pm »

Well, as I feared, but hadn't heard about until now, the doomsday predictions DID have more serious consequences than just folks losing a lot of money and face.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110524/sc_livescience/faileddoomsdayhasrealdeadlyconsequences

I'm sad that this is the outcome of one man's garbled idea of secret messages in the Bible... Though I won't say that those who committed suicide or tried to are idiots, I do believe that they must have had deeper psychological problems beforehand. As far as I'm aware, Camping did not announce that one should kill oneself before the Rapture. So while the belief in the Rapture certainly played a strong part in the man's decision to kill himself, I do assume that he cannot have been psychologically sane (and - I'm playing devil's advocate here - he might have chosen to end his life even without the announcement of the Rapture, e.g. when a different news item proclaiming a catastrophe came along).

By all means, don't get me wrong in that I make light of it - I do find it sad that this Rapture thing has led to deaths. I'm just saying you can't hold it resposible for every person's actions.

A week ago, I read an article on people who have given away all their belongings and planned on not having any earthly possessions on Rapture Day. I feel with those people, too, because I wonder how they are going to get their life back under control, having lost or quit their jobs, without any money left to buy proper food and housing for themselves and their kids, and possibly having lost their belief, as well...
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« Reply #4: May 25, 2011, 12:36:34 pm »

Well, as I feared, but hadn't heard about until now, the doomsday predictions DID have more serious consequences than just folks losing a lot of money and face.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110524/sc_livescience/faileddoomsdayhasrealdeadlyconsequences

Unfortunately I can't say I'm terribly surprised... faith (or rather fear) can drive someone to do things that they would never do in their right minds.

I just wish people would stop paying attention to this loon.   Angry
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« Reply #5: May 25, 2011, 01:47:48 pm »

I'm sad that this is the outcome of one man's garbled idea of secret messages in the Bible... Though I won't say that those who committed suicide or tried to are idiots, I do believe that they must have had deeper psychological problems beforehand. As far as I'm aware, Camping did not announce that one should kill oneself before the Rapture. So while the belief in the Rapture certainly played a strong part in the man's decision to kill himself, I do assume that he cannot have been psychologically sane (and - I'm playing devil's advocate here - he might have chosen to end his life even without the announcement of the Rapture, e.g. when a different news item proclaiming a catastrophe came along).

By all means, don't get me wrong in that I make light of it - I do find it sad that this Rapture thing has led to deaths. I'm just saying you can't hold it resposible for every person's actions.

A week ago, I read an article on people who have given away all their belongings and planned on not having any earthly possessions on Rapture Day. I feel with those people, too, because I wonder how they are going to get their life back under control, having lost or quit their jobs, without any money left to buy proper food and housing for themselves and their kids, and possibly having lost their belief, as well...

No, I agree with you-- there might have been 'something there' that was wrong to begin with. 

But fear does play a big part in acts like this. It's... brainwashing, really, all of this.  And tragic.  And what's sadder is that whether or not these folks thought they were going to Heaven (the woman with her kids I -think- was worried about being "left behind"?), by the Christian doctrine, killing oneself or others definitely is the ticket to Hell, not Heaven.
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« Reply #6: May 25, 2011, 05:10:27 pm »

Well, as I feared, but hadn't heard about until now, the doomsday predictions DID have more serious consequences than just folks losing a lot of money and face.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110524/sc_livescience/faileddoomsdayhasrealdeadlyconsequences

That's sad, but I can't really blame Camping for this type of stuff. Nothing I'm aware that he said even implies one should kill oneself or anyone else.
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« Reply #7: May 25, 2011, 05:41:34 pm »

That's sad, but I can't really blame Camping for this type of stuff. Nothing I'm aware that he said even implies one should kill oneself or anyone else.

No, but throughout history, there've been similar predictions with similar results, even if folks didn't say, "GO KILL YOURSELF!"

On the other hand....

It's easy to say he should have been careful with his predictions, but then again, how would one go about making a doomsday prediction that was careful? It's all well and good to say to folks "Don't kill yourself", but those folks who follow this guy (or others who do similar things) but think they might be left behind to face doomsday rather than being vacuumed up by the Celestial Hoover are probably going to be terrified.

So, we'd all have rather had him not say anything at ALL, but that wasn't possible. But I wish he, or more importantly, his followers, had done a little research and seen how many times stuff like this had happened, and just... I dunno. Waited. To see if doom and destruction would happen.

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« Reply #8: May 25, 2011, 06:16:47 pm »

No, but throughout history, there've been similar predictions with similar results, even if folks didn't say, "GO KILL YOURSELF!"

On the other hand....

It's easy to say he should have been careful with his predictions, but then again, how would one go about making a doomsday prediction that was careful? It's all well and good to say to folks "Don't kill yourself", but those folks who follow this guy (or others who do similar things) but think they might be left behind to face doomsday rather than being vacuumed up by the Celestial Hoover are probably going to be terrified.

So, we'd all have rather had him not say anything at ALL, but that wasn't possible. But I wish he, or more importantly, his followers, had done a little research and seen how many times stuff like this had happened, and just... I dunno. Waited. To see if doom and destruction would happen.

Wish in one hand, s**t in the other, see which one gets full faster...

But it's not like you couldn't notice "whoops, rapture happened, didn't include me ......" ... I mean ....

Last I checked, even with the worst Rapture believers, it's not like the Rapture happens and *Poof!* everyone else is screwed!  these things take TIME!
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« Reply #9: May 25, 2011, 06:18:15 pm »

Well, as I feared, but hadn't heard about until now, the doomsday predictions DID have more serious consequences than just folks losing a lot of money and face.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110524/sc_livescience/faileddoomsdayhasrealdeadlyconsequences

How sad this is... especially the mother and her daughters, they must have suffered terribly... and will have trauma from the experience for life probably.

I agree with what everyone has said here, this kind of thing is bound to happen, and these people who killed themselves or tried, must have had some kind underlying issue to begin with.

It's hard not to want to feel mad at the situation. I don't blame anyone as such, even if this guy had said "don't do anything rash, don't kill yourself or give away all your wordly possessions etc" it still would have happened somewhere. Fear and Faith are powerful things, especially when combined.... and dangerous in this case  Sad
I don't wish to bash anyone's faith or ideas or religion, so I hope I haven't said anything to offend, if I have I apologise in advance. This is a touchy subject.
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« Reply #10: May 25, 2011, 06:23:25 pm »

So, we'd all have rather had him not say anything at ALL, but that wasn't possible. But I wish he, or more importantly, his followers, had done a little research and seen how many times stuff like this had happened, and just... I dunno. Waited. To see if doom and destruction would happen.

As a firm believer in free speech, I certainly would not have wished he would not have said anything at all. He is not responsible for people who choose to believe his predictions and take ridiculous actions based on it: especially since he did not tell people to sell all their possessions, kill themselves, etc. Yes, it is a shame that a few people make bad choices, but (unless he encouraged such choices) Camping is no more responsible for those choices than you or I are.
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« Reply #11: May 26, 2011, 11:54:55 am »

But it's not like you couldn't notice "whoops, rapture happened, didn't include me ......" ... I mean ....

Last I checked, even with the worst Rapture believers, it's not like the Rapture happens and *Poof!* everyone else is screwed!  these things take TIME!

Wait, what... I don't know which part of my post you're referencing...
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« Reply #12: May 26, 2011, 12:02:19 pm »

Wait, what... I don't know which part of my post you're referencing...

*reads back* me neither at this point.  I think I just went off on a rant about how even if you believed the whole doomsday thing, there STILL wasn't reason to act the way they did.
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« Reply #13: May 27, 2011, 03:16:52 am »

As a firm believer in free speech, I certainly would not have wished he would not have said anything at all. He is not responsible for people who choose to believe his predictions and take ridiculous actions based on it: especially since he did not tell people to sell all their possessions, kill themselves, etc. Yes, it is a shame that a few people make bad choices, but (unless he encouraged such choices) Camping is no more responsible for those choices than you or I are.

I'm going to have to disagree. He is a grown man and a public figure, using a public platform to make false prophecies ("No man knows the day or hour," Matthew 24: 36) without any thought as to how he might cause panic. You don't get to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.
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« Reply #14: May 27, 2011, 04:38:37 am »

I'm going to have to disagree. He is a grown man and a public figure, using a public platform to make false prophecies ("No man knows the day or hour," Matthew 24: 36) without any thought as to how he might cause panic. You don't get to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

If I understand you correctly, you seem to suggest that Camping deliberately put out false information and forgot to warn people about it. What if he truly believed that he had indeed calculated the date correctly? I don't want to go into a theological dispute over you should or shouldn't try to find out the day of the Rapture at all, since my knowledge of Christianity and the Bible is fairly limited. I'm just saying that in modern society, a lot of the time people express their believes - and even sometimes scientific "facts" - that they sincerely believe to be true.

To give you an example: In the last few years, German newspapers had headlines about the dangers of bird flu, swine flu, mad cow disease and the like for weeks on end. While I believe that the scientific information was correct - or at least not outright false - it was on the individual to decide whether s/he wanted to a) believe what was in the papers, and b) go mental. While I am aware that there is no religious faith involved here, it boils down to the same thing: people who are already susceptible to illogical fears will act in an illogical fashion once information about possible dangers reach them. You can't really blame the people who put out this information for people reacting illogically.
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