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« Reply #15: May 27, 2011, 08:25:04 am »

While I am aware that there is no religious faith involved here, it boils down to the same thing: people who are already susceptible to illogical fears will act in an illogical fashion once information about possible dangers reach them. You can't really blame the people who put out this information for people reacting illogically.

Exactly. If one was responsible for the illogical responses of others to what one said, one would never be able to say anything.
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« Reply #16: May 27, 2011, 08:49:15 am »

Exactly. If one was responsible for the illogical responses of others to what one said, one would never be able to say anything.

It's not like these people actually did what this preacher told them to.
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« Reply #17: June 01, 2011, 09:49:14 pm »

If I understand you correctly, you seem to suggest that Camping deliberately put out false information and forgot to warn people about it. What if he truly believed that he had indeed calculated the date correctly? I don't want to go into a theological dispute over you should or shouldn't try to find out the day of the Rapture at all, since my knowledge of Christianity and the Bible is fairly limited. I'm just saying that in modern society, a lot of the time people express their believes - and even sometimes scientific "facts" - that they sincerely believe to be true.

To give you an example: In the last few years, German newspapers had headlines about the dangers of bird flu, swine flu, mad cow disease and the like for weeks on end. While I believe that the scientific information was correct - or at least not outright false - it was on the individual to decide whether s/he wanted to a) believe what was in the papers, and b) go mental. While I am aware that there is no religious faith involved here, it boils down to the same thing: people who are already susceptible to illogical fears will act in an illogical fashion once information about possible dangers reach them. You can't really blame the people who put out this information for people reacting illogically.

If he sincerely believed that he could mathematically calculate the date of the Rapture - based on what, a little bird telling him to? - then I would have to conclude that he was insane. That is completely different from making an honest scientific error. I suppose you can make the argument that a mentally ill person can't be held responsible for his own actions, much less the actions of others. But if you think his mind is sound, then there is absolutely no logical reason for him to have made these "predictions." It's blasphemy: the whole point of the Rapture is that you're not supposed to know when it's coming. Not even Christ himself knows! Camping is not even a minister or a pastor or a Biblical scholar or a theologian - he doesn't even attend a church. He is just another man trying to have his slice of the End Times Media Industry pie. Or he is a sad, elderly man who just wants to be remembered for something. But even if I can pity him for that, I can't absolve him of his responsibility.

It's true that people who are already on the edge are going to do something irrational or tragic when they hear any kind of catastrophe is immanent. But that's exactly why public voices have a responsibility to report the truth to the best of their ability, and not to exploit people's fears for the attention and the money. We don't tolerate plastic shamans selling fake sweat lodges, because they are dangerous, misleading and exploitative to people with good intentions. So why are we giving a pass to a plastic prophet?
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« Reply #18: June 01, 2011, 09:53:16 pm »

Well, as I feared, but hadn't heard about until now, the doomsday predictions DID have more serious consequences than just folks losing a lot of money and face.

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« Reply #19: June 04, 2011, 05:27:16 am »

If he sincerely believed that he could mathematically calculate the date of the Rapture - based on what, a little bird telling him to? - then I would have to conclude that he was insane.

If the Bible says that the Rapture cannot be calculated at all, then how come so many people believed him? I understand your point about being careful what you say in public, but you can't hold Camping responsible for a huge mass of other people not knowing their Bible. Just playing Devil's advocate here, cause I believe that if something bad happens, mankind is just very quick to put the blame on one person alone, though many others might have contributed to the outcome.
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« Reply #20: June 04, 2011, 08:42:25 am »

Just playing Devil's advocate here, cause I believe that if something bad happens, mankind is just very quick to put the blame on one person alone, though many others might have contributed to the outcome.

I agree with you. I think most of the responsibility -- the lion's share of it -- has to go to the people who believed him especially as they came of with the idea of selling everything or committing suicide all on their own. Nothing he said that I've seen even suggested these courses of action.
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