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« Topic Start: June 02, 2011, 09:02:06 am »

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TWO of the strangest ideas in modern physics - that the cosmos constantly splits into parallel universes in which every conceivable outcome of every event happens, and the notion that our universe is part of a larger multiverse - have been unified into a single theory. This solves a bizarre but fundamental problem in cosmology and has set physics circles buzzing with excitement, as well as some bewilderment.

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« Reply #1: June 02, 2011, 10:35:34 am »

Read the Full Article (at New Scientist so it will probably disappear behind a pay wall at some future time)


Wow. That is incredibly weird, but I like the idea a lot.
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« Reply #2: June 02, 2011, 10:40:31 am »

Read the Full Article (at New Scientist so it will probably disappear behind a pay wall at some future time)


That would certainly provide an explanation for many "supernatural" happenings and abilities, like "seeing the future"--if time flows differently in the parallel universes, and something "leaks" from a faster one into this one, blah blah blah. (Brain's a little overloaded from stuff this morning; sorry for the poor vocabulary skills.)
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« Reply #3: June 02, 2011, 10:46:20 am »

That would certainly provide an explanation for many "supernatural" happenings and abilities, like "seeing the future"--if time flows differently in the parallel universes, and something "leaks" from a faster one into this one, blah blah blah. (Brain's a little overloaded from stuff this morning; sorry for the poor vocabulary skills.)


But what would actually be parallel? Is it only the random things like the decaying of a radioactive atom, or would that include decisions as well? I suppose if you say that our decisions are just interacting chemicals and whatnot, all the way down, what does that say for free will if every possible decision has been taken?
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« Reply #4: June 02, 2011, 10:56:21 am »

But what would actually be parallel? Is it only the random things like the decaying of a radioactive atom, or would that include decisions as well? I suppose if you say that our decisions are just interacting chemicals and whatnot, all the way down, what does that say for free will if every possible decision has been taken?

Even if there are a multitude of Ellens running around, I'm still responsible for the decisions made by this Ellen - bugger the other ones!
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Ha! Like this a lot.
And it makes so much sense within my little strange weird world.  Cheesy
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« Reply #6: June 02, 2011, 11:47:29 am »

Even if there are a multitude of Ellens running around, I'm still responsible for the decisions made by this Ellen - bugger the other ones!

No but see, you didn't make you, it was random. Because every in every decision you made, the opposite was also made. You just *happen* to be aware of THIS Ellen.

(LOL I was so confused for a second because MY name is Ellen too. XD)
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« Reply #7: June 02, 2011, 12:12:42 pm »

No but see, you didn't make you, it was random. Because every in every decision you made, the opposite was also made. You just *happen* to be aware of THIS Ellen.

I'll have to disagree. "Me" is the consciousness inside this body, and this is the only one I control. Those other Ellens are other consciousnesses. I did make the decision. Other Ellens just made other decisions. Or the same decisions, and the changes in their worlds had nothing to do with exercising their own free will. (Perhaps there is another Ellen who's made the same choices as I have, but the sky happens to be orange, or we evolved from squid or whatever.)
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« Reply #8: June 02, 2011, 12:43:41 pm »

Even if there are a multitude of Ellens running around, I'm still responsible for the decisions made by this Ellen - bugger the other ones!

If decision point A results in all possible decisions being taken, one per universe branching from that decision point no decision is actually made. Each copy of you may be (and apparently is) convinced that you had a choice and made a decision, but since all possibilities were chosen, no meaningful decision was ever made.  That is, it doesn't matter what you choose as reality will make all choices.
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« Reply #9: June 02, 2011, 03:54:14 pm »

If decision point A results in all possible decisions being taken, one per universe branching from that decision point no decision is actually made. Each copy of you may be (and apparently is) convinced that you had a choice and made a decision, but since all possibilities were chosen, no meaningful decision was ever made.  That is, it doesn't matter what you choose as reality will make all choices.

Thanks Randall. That's what I was trying to say.
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« Reply #10: June 02, 2011, 05:27:46 pm »

If decision point A results in all possible decisions being taken, one per universe branching from that decision point no decision is actually made. Each copy of you may be (and apparently is) convinced that you had a choice and made a decision, but since all possibilities were chosen, no meaningful decision was ever made.  That is, it doesn't matter what you choose as reality will make all choices.

But... those choices take place in another universe. Just because I make a decision here in one way and in another universe I make it a different way, action still takes place. It's still meaningful in my universe.
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« Reply #11: June 02, 2011, 05:34:39 pm »

But... those choices take place in another universe. Just because I make a decision here in one way and in another universe I make it a different way, action still takes place. It's still meaningful in my universe.

You don't actually make any choices. You make all of them, each branching off into its own universe. As there is no way to avoid doing all of them, there really isn't any choice -- especially in the Christian Final Judgement moral sense.
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« Reply #12: June 02, 2011, 05:40:42 pm »

You don't actually make any choices. You make all of them, each branching off into its own universe. As there is no way to avoid doing all of them, there really isn't any choice -- especially in the Christian Final Judgement moral sense.

I may be missing something, because I don't see how it's possible to control an infinite number of me's across the universe without essentially being God. Or why on earth you'd be responsible for the choices of yourself in another universe, or why they're all considered the same 'you'.
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« Reply #13: June 03, 2011, 01:37:50 am »

Read the Full Article (at New Scientist so it will probably disappear behind a pay wall at some future time)


This article has convinced me of something I have suspected all along. I have no idea about physics and the very thought of  parallel universes makes my head hurt.
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« Reply #14: June 03, 2011, 04:09:37 am »

This article has convinced me of something I have suspected all along. I have no idea about physics and the very thought of  parallel universes makes my head hurt.

Actually, just reading this [thread] is making my head hurt!   Huh  Undecided I didn't get very far in the article. (Of course, it's past my bed-time, so......)
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