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« Topic Start: June 02, 2011, 05:14:51 pm »

I don't understand why you are forced to quote the response before you whether or not you are replying to them directly.  I mean if I am just adding my thoughts to the conversation in general it doesn't make sense to quote anyone. 

Is there a reasoning behind this being a forced issue?
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« Reply #1: June 02, 2011, 05:16:29 pm »

I don't understand why you are forced to quote the response before you whether or not you are replying to them directly.  I mean if I am just adding my thoughts to the conversation in general it doesn't make sense to quote anyone. 

Is there a reasoning behind this being a forced issue?

It makes it easier to follow conversations. It's part of board culture; you'll get used to the habit after awhile.
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« Reply #2: June 02, 2011, 05:18:37 pm »

I don't understand why you are forced to quote the response before you whether or not you are replying to them directly.  I mean if I am just adding my thoughts to the conversation in general it doesn't make sense to quote anyone. 

Is there a reasoning behind this being a forced issue?

1. It's in the rules, therefore to follow them we must do it.

2. While it was weird to get used to initially it's quite useful, for one it insures that a respondent has at least cursorily read a previous response and is not making a knee jerk reply, it is also useful to parse a point or comment from an overall statement when asking for clarification etc. You'll get used to it over time Smiley
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« Reply #3: June 02, 2011, 05:23:08 pm »

I don't understand why you are forced to quote the response before you whether or not you are replying to them directly.  I mean if I am just adding my thoughts to the conversation in general it doesn't make sense to quote anyone. 

Is there a reasoning behind this being a forced issue?

In addition to what Ellen and Asch said, the incarnation of the board prior to its current one automatically linked back to whichever post someone was replying to.  Since SMF didn't have that feature, we instituted mandatory quoting because it was the closest way to replicate the feature.

I would rather have the quoting rule in place than getting rid of it.  I have seen flamewars on other forums that could have easily been prevented if someone quoted.
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« Reply #4: June 02, 2011, 05:28:13 pm »

I don't understand why you are forced to quote the response before you whether or not you are replying to them directly. 

It works better for us because it is very clear what the response it to no matter when the original post was written or how long (for the reader) it has been since he say the message being replied to. It also makes it very easier for staff to trace through threads to see exactly who needs to be punished if personal attacks or the like occur.

For even more info on this read every post in this thread: ADMIN: Using the Quote Button.

This quoting rule is alien to many new members, but without it the Hosts would shut the board down. The quotes it every message make it so much easier for the Hosts and staff (not to mention many members). New members usually adapt to it quickly -- or they leave for a forum ran more like they want.



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« Reply #5: June 02, 2011, 05:29:21 pm »

I don't understand why you are forced to quote the response before you whether or not you are replying to them directly.  I mean if I am just adding my thoughts to the conversation in general it doesn't make sense to quote anyone. 

Is there a reasoning behind this being a forced issue?

You are not just being asked to quote the response before you.  In fact, that defeats the purpose if that is not the post you are answering.  If you are just adding your thoughts to the subject you should just quote the first post, or the post at which the topic changed to become the one you are adding your thoughts to.

This is a host-and-staff assisting measure.  When it becomes necessary to trace a part of a thread back to assess a complaint, using the linkbacks provided by the quote code makes that process quick and easy.  (as opposed to reading through a whole multi-page thread to find the connections, both making response time quicker for the complainant and for not wasting staff time)

The software we started out on made this automatic and we like the utility of it.  It also means that you do not have to read through an entire thread before responding to a specific point.  The quote will show where you are coming in.

Plus - it's in the rules.  You agreed to them.  We like it this way.

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6:23, 6:28, 6:29 - guess the software didn't have time to warn about new posts ahead of mine.  Staff pile-on! Cheesy

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« Reply #7: June 02, 2011, 05:35:22 pm »

6:23, 6:28, 6:29 - guess the software didn't have time to warn about new posts ahead of mine.  Staff pile-on! Cheesy

This issue ALWAYS causes this type of effect.
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« Reply #8: June 02, 2011, 07:12:47 pm »

1. It's in the rules, therefore to follow them we must do it.

2. While it was weird to get used to initially it's quite useful, for one it insures that a respondent has at least cursorily read a previous response and is not making a knee jerk reply, it is also useful to parse a point or comment from an overall statement when asking for clarification etc. You'll get used to it over time Smiley

I like part one.  This forum has a lot of rules.  So long as we are careful to follow all of them, it's almost like we don't have to think at all!
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« Reply #9: June 02, 2011, 08:13:40 pm »

I like part one.  This forum has a lot of rules.  So long as we are careful to follow all of them, it's almost like we don't have to think at all!
Isn't that wonderful? So much easier than figuring things out yourself!
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« Reply #10: June 02, 2011, 08:15:44 pm »

Isn't that wonderful? So much easier than figuring things out yourself!

It's a huge relief honestly.  TCC (the last pagan forum I was on) had so few rules, and they kept changing.  I think I'll like this place much better.
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« Reply #11: June 02, 2011, 08:20:56 pm »

I like part one.  This forum has a lot of rules.  So long as we are careful to follow all of them, it's almost like we don't have to think at all!

If you do not like this board or it's rules you are free to go elsewhere. There are probably hundreds of other Pagan boards on the Internet you can try. And if none of those suit you, you can always start your own board and set whatever rules you want. But while you are here, please read and follow our rules.

There's no need to be snarky about them. The Hosts and staff here do not care whether or not you like this board's rules. Liking them is not a requirement. Following them is. Smiley

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« Reply #12: June 02, 2011, 08:24:59 pm »

If you do not like this board or it's rules you are free to go elsewhere. There are probably hundreds of other Pagan boards on the Internet you can try. And if none of those suit you, you can always start your own board and set whatever rules you want. But while you are here, please read and follow our rules.

There's no need to be snarky about them. The Hosts and staff here do not care whether or not you like this board's rules. Liking them is not a requirement. Following them is. Smiley

Thank you.

You're being awfully rude, which is against the rules.

I said that I like the rules.  Of course I am going to follow them, who wouldn't follow rules they like?
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« Reply #13: June 02, 2011, 08:29:38 pm »

You're being awfully rude, which is against the rules.


*** MOD HAT ON ***So is trying to mod other members when you are not staff.  Consider this your first official warning.

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« Reply #14: June 02, 2011, 08:34:28 pm »

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So is trying to mod other members when you are not staff.  Consider this your first official warning.

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Now you are making unfounded accusations, which is also against the rules.

I wasn't trying to mod anyone, besides as far as I can tell that guy wrote the rules, so I am assuming he's the big boss mod.  Trying to mod the big boss mod would be really silly.

The rules are really really long, and I just read them, I figure he's been here since the site was started so it may have been a long time since he read them and he might have forgot.

Next time someone is rude would it be better for me to PM a mod?  I don't want to get in trouble.

Should I PM a mod any time anyone breaks a rule?  Or should I just ignore it and wait for a mod to notice?

I read through all the rules to try to figure out the most appropriate thing to do in that sort of situation, and I didn't find anything, but I may have missed something.  I got a little sleepy somewhere in the middle.
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