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« Reply #15: June 02, 2011, 08:37:14 pm »

Now you are making unfounded accusations, which is also against the rules.

I wasn't trying to mod anyone, besides as far as I can tell that guy wrote the rules, so I am assuming he's the big boss mod.  Trying to mod the big boss mod would be really silly.

The rules are really really long, and I just read them, I figure he's been here since the site was started so it may have been a long time since he read them and he might have forgot.


Next time someone is rude would it be better for me to PM a mod?  I don't want to get in trouble.

Should I PM a mod any time anyone breaks a rule?  Or should I just ignore it and wait for a mod to notice?

I read through all the rules to try to figure out the most appropriate thing to do in that sort of situation, and I didn't find anything, but I may have missed something.  I got a little sleepy somewhere in the middle.


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« Reply #16: June 02, 2011, 08:39:52 pm »

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Arguing a mod call in public is also against the rules. This is your second warning.

Go reread the rules NOW.

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Ok,  I'm not arguing, but could one of you answer my question?

There's like 30 pages of rules and I already dug through them looking for the answer and if I missed it I'd really rather not dig through them all again to find it.
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« Reply #17: June 02, 2011, 08:42:39 pm »

Next time someone is rude would it be better for me to PM a mod?  I don't want to get in trouble.

Should I PM a mod any time anyone breaks a rule?  Or should I just ignore it and wait for a mod to notice?


If you feel a post is in violation of the rules there is a link 'report to moderator' in the bottom right hand corner of every post. Click that and that's all you need to do.

I myself have never felt the need to click that link. The mods are very fast to notice such things; they do their job well.
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« Reply #18: June 02, 2011, 08:43:40 pm »

Next time someone is rude would it be better for me to PM a mod?  I don't want to get in trouble.

Should I PM a mod any time anyone breaks a rule?  Or should I just ignore it and wait for a mod to notice?

In the bottom right hand corner of the post you have issues with is a "report to moderator" button. It is through this button that you can let the staff know there is a potential issue.

HOWEVER, if you report every little thing you have issue with, you WILL BE banned for being rude and annoying for wasting staff time if we have to wade through a bunch of unfounded reports.

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P.S. This is NOT an official warning; it is an answer to your question.
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« Reply #19: June 02, 2011, 08:45:24 pm »

If you feel a post is in violation of the rules there is a link 'report to moderator' in the bottom right hand corner of every post. Click that and that's all you need to do.

I myself have never felt the need to click that link. The mods are very fast to notice such things; they do their job well.

It's against the rules to criticize them, so I won't say anything about that second part. 

I also see that Celtee answered my question.  Thank you.  I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks for the unofficial warning too, although I didn't see excessive reporting mentioned in the 30 pages of rules.
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« Reply #20: June 02, 2011, 08:49:59 pm »

If you feel a post is in violation of the rules there is a link 'report to moderator' in the bottom right hand corner of every post. Click that and that's all you need to do.


HOST HAT ONWhile FierFlye is correct, I probably need to add that reporting a Host or Staff member for "being rude" or the like on a post where they put a mod hat on or are explaining the rules will likely earn the person doing it a permanent ban.

By the way, I'm one of the Co-Hosts and none of the posts you claim are being rude to you are being rude to you. You are the one being rude and annoying by breaking the rules and then arguing with staff members who do their job and point that out to you. End of Discussion.
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« Reply #21: June 02, 2011, 08:53:09 pm »

[modbreak=HOST HAT ON]
While FierFlye is correct, I probably need to add that reporting a Host or Staff member for "being rude" or the like on a post where they put a mod hat on or are explaining the rules will likely earn the person doing it a permanent ban.

By the way, I'm one of the Co-Hosts and none of the posts you claim are being rude to you are being rude to you. You are the one being rude and annoying by breaking the rules and then arguing with staff members who do their job and point that out to you. End of Discussion.
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Thank you for making that clear.  I definitely got a between the lines feeling that reporting mods was against the rules but I am glad to see it stated clearly by a co-host.
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« Reply #22: June 02, 2011, 08:54:51 pm »

Thank you for making that clear.  I definitely got a between the lines feeling that reporting mods was against the rules but I am glad to see it stated clearly by a co-host.

If you have a question etc in future it might be wiser to simply PM a member of staff rather than cause a ruckus and rack up official warnings. Smiley
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« Reply #23: June 02, 2011, 08:57:11 pm »

If you have a question etc in future it might be wiser to simply PM a member of staff rather than cause a ruckus and rack up official warnings. Smiley

I figured if I ask publically then anyone else who reads the thread who might have the same question will also be able to see the answer.

Plus sending a bunch of PM's would be annoying.
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« Reply #24: June 02, 2011, 08:57:48 pm »

I wasn't trying to mod anyone,

For clarification:  We consider telling people that what they're doing is against the rules to be an attempt to moderate them.  If someone needs reminded of the rules, that's the moderators' job, not yours.

We know that there are a lot of rules, and we're generally willing to explain or clarify if necessary--but I would point out that the attitude you're taking here, that they're too long to bother with, is not likely to make anyone feel particularly helpful.  Every one of those rules is there for a reason.  This is how we've run this place for 13 years now, and most people don't seem to have a problem with following them.  If you don't like that there's so much to read and remember, maybe this isn't the place for you.
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« Reply #25: June 02, 2011, 08:59:20 pm »

Thank you for making that clear.  I definitely got a between the lines feeling that reporting mods was against the rules but I am glad to see it stated clearly by a co-host.

Reporting mods is not against the rules.  What Randall's saying is that reporting a post in which a moderator is moderating you or anyone else will be considered sufficiently rude and annoying that you will no longer be welcome here.
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« Reply #26: June 02, 2011, 09:18:25 pm »

For clarification:  We consider telling people that what they're doing is against the rules to be an attempt to moderate them.  If someone needs reminded of the rules, that's the moderators' job, not yours.

We know that there are a lot of rules, and we're generally willing to explain or clarify if necessary--but I would point out that the attitude you're taking here, that they're too long to bother with, is not likely to make anyone feel particularly helpful.  Every one of those rules is there for a reason.  This is how we've run this place for 13 years now, and most people don't seem to have a problem with following them.  If you don't like that there's so much to read and remember, maybe this isn't the place for you.

Thank you for the clarification that mods can be reported so long as they don't have their mod hat on.

I wasn't complaining about the 30 pages of rules.  I like them, that's what I said in my first post on the topic, that's what I repeated when Randall gave me trouble about my first post, and that is what I am still saying.

Reading through them all trying to find particular things does take a while and I am grateful for you folks, who have undoubtedly read through them many more time than I have, being willing to point out and explain the things I have missed or misinterpreted.
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« Reply #27: June 02, 2011, 10:41:44 pm »

Is there a reasoning behind this being a forced issue?

Well for  one  because it's easier to  answer  questions. I read the whole thread and  I really only want to  answer this  question with my thoughts, so I  quote your  post  and  attempt to  answer your  question.

When  I first  joined the board I thought that  was  kind of a funny rule  myself but  over time I see how  nicely it works out on such a busy  board. If a  person  only  wants to respond to  a certain  post/statement/ question etc  they  can  easily  quote that  post and give their  thoughts. It is  much less confusing than having to go  back  to the OP ( original post)  and  try  to figure  out  exactly what someone  on  page 33  is  talking about. I don't  know  I  kind of like the whole  quote thing myself as it does  save on a lot  of  off topic  posting in a thread.  Grin
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« Reply #28: June 03, 2011, 03:22:15 am »

I read through all the rules to try to figure out the most appropriate thing to do in that sort of situation, and I didn't find anything, but I may have missed something.
And to answer it about this specific situation - if someone reads your post as being snarky but you weren't being snarky, you'd do better to respond by saying, "I wasn't being snarky," than by talking about how rude they are.  The latter comes across as telling other people how to post (which is a rules violation), especially since taking issue with what someone has said is not a rules violation (nor is it considered "rude" on TC, since we're a debate and discussion board, not a fellowship board).

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« Reply #29: June 03, 2011, 09:34:03 am »

1. It's in the rules, therefore to follow them we must do it.

2. While it was weird to get used to initially it's quite useful, for one it insures that a respondent has at least cursorily read a previous response and is not making a knee jerk reply, it is also useful to parse a point or comment from an overall statement when asking for clarification etc. You'll get used to it over time Smiley

It's also in the rules that when making a general response to the gist of the thread, that you don't have to quote.
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