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« Reply #15: June 14, 2011, 01:28:58 am »

Now that's just a creepy image. Sad  Am I the only one who remembers this B movie where this hand creeps along killing people? I can't remember the name, just remember watching it as a child.  Creepy. Sad

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082497/
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« Reply #16: June 14, 2011, 02:38:13 am »

Tyr's hand is just gone, it's not an all-moving hand or anything. Smiley

I tell my friend that Tyr's hand is in her closet and that it comes out at night to poke her. Just because I know it creeps her out just thinking of a hand in there.
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« Reply #17: June 14, 2011, 04:35:15 am »

The only thing that makes up for this is the fact that Odin didn't lose an eye in the same sense that Tyr lost a hand. Odin's eye is more powerful and see's further now in Mimir's well. Tyr's hand is just gone, it's not an all-moving hand or anything. Smiley

Good point! That's an interesting distinction.

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« Reply #18: June 14, 2011, 08:56:00 am »


Yup, I think that's the one. Sad When you're 12 that's really creepy. lol
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« Reply #19: June 14, 2011, 03:11:07 pm »

I tell my friend that Tyr's hand is in her closet and that it comes out at night to poke her. Just because I know it creeps her out just thinking of a hand in there.

Ha!  Grin

This reminds me of when I watched Paranormal Activity 2. Before being heathen I was easily freaked out by horror movies but when watching Paranormal Activity, and realizing that this demon wasn't really a part of a heathen worldview , kind of killed it for me. Then I also pondered how if there were a demon like this it might just be a pissed off wight, or maybe a draugr and they just needed to cut it's head off. Wink

Anyway, my point is that it's fun to see scary tales (such as Tyr's disembodied hand  Shocked) that are from the heathen worldview rather than a christian western one- even if we are just screwing around in this thread. Smiley
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« Reply #20: June 14, 2011, 03:40:44 pm »


I actually thought they were talking about this one:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138510/
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« Reply #21: June 21, 2011, 05:33:01 am »

The only thing that makes up for this is the fact that Odin didn't lose an eye in the same sense that Tyr lost a hand. Odin's eye is more powerful and see's further now in Mimir's well. Tyr's hand is just gone, it's not an all-moving hand or anything. Smiley

Just adding some food for thought to the conversation:

Most early cave paintings depict animals, not humans. The few human-looking figures who do appear tend to be either half-man/half-beast, or wounded in some way. This is consistent with what we now know about global shamanic practices and the traits common to most of those traditions.

I bring this up because Odin was primarily a god of the berserkers. Shapeshifting is a common belief among shamanic cultures. It is quite possible that Odin is a remnant of some very early tribal beliefs. Even at his most popular, he was primarily a god of magic (runes), and trance work.

The wounds on the people in the cave paintings tended to be with a spear through their side, or damage to their left eye (considered a sign of intense spirituality even in the bronze age.) Obviously spears and wounded eyes directly correlate with what we know about Odin. I'm not saying that these paintings depict an early form of Odin, but rather, they depict early shamanic practices that are later recognizable as being connected to Odin.

The people who claimed Odin as their primary god tended to be kings, priests, poets, and the berserkers. People on the fringes of society identified with him. Thor was more a god of the people. He represented might and protection. If your life depended on your ability with a sword or hammer, Thor makes for a perfect choice. Odin is all about mystery. Of the four groups I mentioned as following him, three would be more likely than the common man to have had some form of education (not neccessarily literacy). The fourth were a different form of warrior than the others around at that time, and would have utilized the gifts Odin might bestow on them. All four would be interested in the Mysteries and hidden wisdom of Odin.

I don't think these gods overshadowed one another, so much as they served different purposes. Depending on the era, one might have outshone another for a period of time, depending on what was going on in the region, and who was writing the history books at the time.

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« Reply #22: June 21, 2011, 09:43:38 am »

I actually thought they were talking about this one:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138510/

No, that one is too new.  The first one should be right.  I was about 12/13 when it came out (1981).  It was so creepy watching the hand creeeeep across the floor after an unsuspecting victum.   Undecided  Course, now it would probably be just corny. Cheesy

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