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« Reply #15: June 25, 2007, 04:49:27 pm »

lol stay away from me MI, I seen to be lightbulb central just now Tongue

That's OK.  I've got my own lightbulbs going off all over me right now.  (You know the feeling.   Wink )

And a headache...  Sad
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« Reply #16: June 25, 2007, 04:56:47 pm »

That's OK.  I've got my own lightbulbs going off all over me right now.  (You know the feeling.   Wink )

And a headache...  Sad

Yep.
On both counts.
And the unsettling feeling that if I don't figure it out I'm going to get bit on the ass... dont ask.
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« Reply #17: June 25, 2007, 04:58:08 pm »

And the unsettling feeling that if I don't figure it out I'm going to get bit on the ass... dont ask.

Oh, I don't need to ask -- I know that feeling well.  Wink
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« Reply #18: June 25, 2007, 05:04:21 pm »

Oh, I don't need to ask -- I know that feeling well.  Wink
Thought you might Wink
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« Reply #19: June 25, 2007, 06:14:56 pm »

I'm loving the idea of feral spirituality

I would never have thought of using the word "feral" to describe animism, but it does sort of resonate.

As Marilyn said, it's like breathing. Darkhawk's definition is very close to the way I would explain animism to a stranger, but elaborating beyond that would become more difficult with each word. It doesn't explain what it's like to live all the time as a spirit in a world of spirits.

Knowledge comes through observation and experience, more than anything else. It's not really the sort of observation that's easily quantified, or even described, either. It's hard to give a reason for how I know things, other than "I've noticed."

Gahhh! I've written and erased about five different paragraphs in this post. I think I'm going to have to try again later if I want to write any more about this.  Tongue

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« Reply #20: June 25, 2007, 06:23:30 pm »


Knowledge comes through observation and experience, more than anything else. It's not really the sort of observation that's easily quantified, or even described, either. It's hard to give a reason for how I know things, other than "I've noticed."

*giggles* sorry but I know what you mean, and it's just nice not to alone in the world of... how to explain breathing to someone who doesn't.
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« Reply #21: June 25, 2007, 07:48:07 pm »

and it's just nice not to alone in the world of... how to explain breathing to someone who doesn't.

Ditto.  Cheesy 

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« Reply #22: June 25, 2007, 09:18:01 pm »

I would never have thought of using the word "feral" to describe animism, but it does sort of resonate.

I think the feral thing isn't so much about animism, per se.  More about spirituality and/or religion.
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« Reply #23: June 25, 2007, 09:26:37 pm »

I think the feral thing isn't so much about animism, per se.  More about spirituality and/or religion.

*raises a hand* Excuse me, miss Ivy, ma'am...
Feral... "A feral organism is one that has escaped from domestication and returned, partly or wholly, to its wild state"

Or to it's roots, its origins, what it was before it was domesticated, tamed, made... Civilised... thats the word I was looking for!

I'm leaving now...
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« Reply #24: June 26, 2007, 12:57:11 am »

*raises a hand* Excuse me, miss Ivy, ma'am...
Feral... "A feral organism is one that has escaped from domestication and returned, partly or wholly, to its wild state"

Or to it's roots, its origins, what it was before it was domesticated, tamed, made... Civilised... thats the word I was looking for!


Yes. 

Dictionary.com's first entry for "feral" gives the first definition as:
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1. existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild.
   

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1a) Existing in a wild or untamed state.
1b) Having returned to an untamed state from domestication.


So, feral isn't always about *returning* to a wild state after having been domsticated.  It can be about the state of something *before* it is domesticated.

I know it might not make sense, but I think what I'm looking for is a spirituality that is closer to its origins before it was domesticated -- which, in this case, would mean before it became any kind of organized religious system.

"Primal" might be another appropriate word, in the sense of (also from Dictionary.com):

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1. first; original; primeval

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2.  having existed from the beginning; in an earliest or original stage or state


I don't know.  It's just something that my brain is playing with, and that is helping to fit some other pieces together.
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« Reply #25: June 26, 2007, 01:19:12 am »

I don't know that I'm articulate, but ...

When I say I'm an animist I mean that everything around me has some sort of spirit and identity as itself.  Not all of those spirits are awake/alert/responsive or even comprehensible to the human mind, but they exist.  Further, working with a tool or object extensively can awaken and humanise the spirit within.
I'll concur with that.  Otherwise, I don't really have anything to add to what I posted in the thread on the old board.

Once the basic explanation has been given, there's very little to be accomplished by further articulation, if the person I'm talking to doesn't connect or interact with the world in a more-or-less animistic way.  The "head" part of animism is pretty simple; most of the substance is in the "heart" and "gut" parts, experiential.

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« Reply #26: June 26, 2007, 01:27:41 am »

Sunflower you have so much to answer for... and I mean that in a good way!
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I've been throwing a lot of lightbulbs lately, most of them on a fairly deep level for their recipients. It's a bit unsettling, even if it is "in a good way", just because there's so much of it.

That doesn't altogether apply to this thread; the lightbulb in question was thrown several months ago, and not by me alone - though I hadn't realized it had influenced Absent so much (I'd noticed her recently speaking of herself as an animist, and, idly and without reading much into it, recalled that she hadn't been involved in that thread), so the timing is a bit disconcerting.

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« Reply #27: June 26, 2007, 02:11:02 am »

though I hadn't realized it had influenced Absent so much (I'd noticed her recently speaking of herself as an animist, and, idly and without reading much into it, recalled that she hadn't been involved in that thread)

'Not involved in' doesn't mean much.  I read everything, throw it to the doggy at the back of my mind, and wait to see what comes out.  Other people's paths fascinate me, but I rarely do much thinking about my own.  It usually just seems like 'what is' rather than a religion.

The change from 'random worshiper of the sky at night' to 'free flowing animist' came at the easy time, when I was filling in my profile here.  It just seemed like a 'righter' thing to put.  It wasn't until Purplewitch pm'd me with a question about it that I realized I had accepted the label as 'right' without giving it much thought beyond that.  The fact that all the definitions that have come up have fit me is a bonus, or a sign that the doggy is smarter than he looks.

The 'religion' part of my religion is, as I've written about, contentious and transactional.  The 'what is' is somehow a deeper, more unavoidable, inarguable, thing for me.

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« Reply #28: June 26, 2007, 03:56:41 am »


Feral... "A feral organism is one that has escaped from domestication and returned, partly or wholly, to its wild state"

Or to it's roots, its origins, what it was before it was domesticated, tamed, made... Civilised... thats the word I was looking for!



Hi Guys,

You got me! I escaped from the domestication of Order Druidry, and took 'my' Druidry back to it's roots, or as near as I could! 'My' Druidry is essentially practical, stripped of the trappings of ceremony, and is all about getting down and dirty with the Land, it's Spirits, animals, trees and plants. I guess 'Wild Druid' suits me too. I see Deity in Everything natural, so I guess Animist is appropriate to me also.

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« Reply #29: June 26, 2007, 10:45:40 am »

<hides>

I've been throwing a lot of lightbulbs lately, most of them on a fairly deep level for their recipients. It's a bit unsettling, even if it is "in a good way", just because there's so much of it.


Lightbulb catalysts cannot hide Wink

The process isn't necessarily good, but the end results usually are.
Assuming me sharing my personal sanity-lapses with other people is a good thing... (sorry, sleep deprived this morning, someone round here is cutting a fang!)
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