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« Topic Start: June 27, 2011, 11:26:12 am »

Knives, daggers, swords, anything sharp and knife like is something that I don't do. I rarely even use kitchen knifes, I had a horrible experience when I was little. Is there something else I can use? Rituals Ive been reading about call for them for many things.
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« Reply #1: June 27, 2011, 11:36:12 am »

Knives, daggers, swords, anything sharp and knife like is something that I don't do. I rarely even use kitchen knifes, I had a horrible experience when I was little. Is there something else I can use? Rituals Ive been reading about call for them for many things.

You don't like them, you don't use them.  Smiley
I've seen 'athames' made from wood (to get around some weapon laws I guess, or to avoid trouble with the police).
Maybe this is an alternative?

OTOH you can use your index finger to direct energy, or some pencil or pen to scratch words into candles.
There is always a way to substitute a tool. Smiley
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« Reply #2: June 27, 2011, 12:44:34 pm »

Knives, daggers, swords, anything sharp and knife like is something that I don't do. I rarely even use kitchen knifes, I had a horrible experience when I was little. Is there something else I can use? Rituals Ive been reading about call for them for many things.

Depends on what your feel the sharp implement needs to be used for. There were rites that called for knives where I more or less omitted the knife, and used something else. Sometimes using my hand, a finger, a stick, wand- something of that nature. Tools are just tools. They can be worked around.

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« Reply #3: June 27, 2011, 01:01:33 pm »

Knives, daggers, swords, anything sharp and knife like is something that I don't do. I rarely even use kitchen knifes, I had a horrible experience when I was little. Is there something else I can use? Rituals Ive been reading about call for them for many things.

It really depends on what you're trying to do.

I mean, yes you can sub out one tool for another, but if you need to chop something, you're going to need a sharp edge.  If you want to burn something, you're going to need a lighter or matches.  etc.  You can substitute, but context MATTERS.
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« Reply #4: June 27, 2011, 09:36:51 pm »

Knives, daggers, swords, anything sharp and knife like is something that I don't do. I rarely even use kitchen knifes, I had a horrible experience when I was little. Is there something else I can use? Rituals Ive been reading about call for them for many things.

It really does depend on what you're trying to do. As one of my favorite sources says, "The best symbol for a sharp knife is a sharp knife", and depending on what you're doing and how you're approaching it, other solutions may or may not work instead.

(One thing I talk about with students who have a hard time with blades - though obviously, not the easiest thing if there's direct trauma involved - is to think about how crucial a simple blade was to everyday life up until quite recently: it was the tool you ate with, sliced bread with, made useful items with, etc. much much much more often than it was something you would use to defend yourself or do harm to other people with.)

Some alternatives:
- using two fingers (usually index + middle) of your dominant hand to direct energy: the reason for using two is that it's less likely to be a casual gesture you make at other times: you want to be deliberate about the fact you're using your hand as a tool to direct energy.

- kitchen shears for cutting-stuff tasks. (I also use an oversize bent-open safety pin for carving candles, because I get a clearer line.)

- using a wood or stone blade with a blunt edge instead. (This is, weirdly, my least favorite of the choices, because it doesn't hold/run energy the same way, and it's not as useful as a tool-that-replaces-a-use (like kitchen shears)
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« Reply #5: June 28, 2011, 08:16:40 am »

It really does depend on what you're trying to do. As one of my favorite sources says, "The best symbol for a sharp knife is a sharp knife", and depending on what you're doing and how you're approaching it, other solutions may or may not work instead.

(One thing I talk about with students who have a hard time with blades - though obviously, not the easiest thing if there's direct trauma involved - is to think about how crucial a simple blade was to everyday life up until quite recently: it was the tool you ate with, sliced bread with, made useful items with, etc. much much much more often than it was something you would use to defend yourself or do harm to other people with.)

Some alternatives:
- using two fingers (usually index + middle) of your dominant hand to direct energy: the reason for using two is that it's less likely to be a casual gesture you make at other times: you want to be deliberate about the fact you're using your hand as a tool to direct energy.

- kitchen shears for cutting-stuff tasks. (I also use an oversize bent-open safety pin for carving candles, because I get a clearer line.)

- using a wood or stone blade with a blunt edge instead. (This is, weirdly, my least favorite of the choices, because it doesn't hold/run energy the same way, and it's not as useful as a tool-that-replaces-a-use (like kitchen shears)

Back when I used those kinds of tools, I used garden shears.  The same ones I used in the garden - I didn't separate.  But those suckers had POWER.
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« Reply #6: June 28, 2011, 10:04:26 am »

Knives, daggers, swords, anything sharp and knife like is something that I don't do. I rarely even use kitchen knifes, I had a horrible experience when I was little. Is there something else I can use? Rituals Ive been reading about call for them for many things.

Let me add the disclaimer all that follows is my own personal belief and opinions so it may not apply.

The first thing I would ask before suggesting is what do those items represent to you?  When you think of an edged item what come to mind and what do you atribute to it?  When you hold one what do you feel?  Do you feel the metal and energy or do you simply recall your own fear and have no connection to the items energy?

For me they are all representations of both Earth and Fire.  Yet they also represent transmutation & transformatin of energy from one form to another.  Change from raw unfocused energy and form to directed and pointed purpose.  The pomel is usually of no concern to the general nature of the item for it is the balance and weight of the blade that makes it up.  It is the harnessing of deep earth energies that formed the bones subjected to intense pressures and fires to create the shape and strength. 

As such for me their is no other item I can use to represent it, an apple is an apple and an orange is an orange and no matter how hard one tries the apple can not be an orange or take its place.

The other thing I would ask is, Have you faced the fear of your own shadow?  That something happened to you to make you fear the blade is apparent, yet to me it also seem's apparent that the fear holds you.

In that case no matter what you substitute in its place it still will fail for the fear lingers and pollutes your purpose.  In your heart you will know the item selected was done so because of your fear of the called for material.  It's sort of like thinking that the spell or ritual calls for blood but you substitue ketchup in its place.  Yet the true componet is lost for it was not that which was called for nor anticipated.

Granted one might change the elements or componets but that is usually done in testing stages to see how it is received and accepted.  Copper has a different feel and energy than Brass for instance, both differing from Iron or Steel.  Yet I personaly would not try to follow something from another and change the parts while I did the ceremony or ritual.  Mostly from the reasoning that I have acknowledged the power and purpose of their action and attempted to recreate it.  But also that I understand the purpose and reasoning for all the parts that make it up and the why of each usage.
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