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« Topic Start: June 29, 2007, 09:00:19 am »

I own a seafood market and nearly every day I must cook about 20 live crab from our live tanks so that we can have a cooked product for our customers.  I've always felt rather saddish and for a few years now I'd say things like "sorry crabs!" as I threw them in the boil... but lately I feel like I need something more substantial.  So I started "thanking" the crabs for their sacrafice and such as I was tossing them in but that seems a bit ridiculous because they're hardling making a CHOICE to be boiled... eh...

Anyway.  If anyone can think of a quick little chant or something I can say either verbally or internally that would convey the fact that I'm rather sorry to be the axe that falls on so many creatures?  Some sort of thanks to the ocean Gods and Godesses for their bounty?

So many of you here seem to not only possess vast amounts of knowledge but also are very eloquent.   Grin 
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« Reply #1: June 29, 2007, 09:09:30 am »

  So I started "thanking" the crabs for their sacrafice and such as I was tossing them in but that seems a bit ridiculous because they're hardling making a CHOICE to be boiled... eh...


"Thanking" the crabs for giving up their energy to fuel yours sounds right to me.  But I am probably not in the majority.  Of course, I used to a ritual whenever I saw roadkill, to speed its spirit onward.  ::smile::

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« Reply #2: June 29, 2007, 09:12:03 am »


I forgot to add that words from the heart work best for this.

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« Reply #3: June 29, 2007, 01:24:15 pm »

I own a seafood market and nearly every day I must cook about 20 live crab from our live tanks so that we can have a cooked product for our customers.  I've always felt rather saddish and for a few years now I'd say things like "sorry crabs!" as I threw them in the boil... but lately I feel like I need something more substantial.  So I started "thanking" the crabs for their sacrafice and such as I was tossing them in but that seems a bit ridiculous because they're hardling making a CHOICE to be boiled... eh...

Actually, thanking them for their sacrifice sounds right to me.  Perhaps burn incense every so often in remembrance of them?  Something that comes from YOUR heart would be best.  If you feel really bad, maybe you could donate money to some cause to help conservation issues as far as the ocean goes? 

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« Reply #4: June 29, 2007, 03:53:16 pm »

I own a seafood market and nearly every day I must cook about 20 live crab from our live tanks so that we can have a cooked product for our customers.  I've always felt rather saddish and for a few years now I'd say things like "sorry crabs!" as I threw them in the boil... but lately I feel like I need something more substantial.  So I started "thanking" the crabs for their sacrafice and such as I was tossing them in but that seems a bit ridiculous because they're hardling making a CHOICE to be boiled... eh...

Anyway.  If anyone can think of a quick little chant or something I can say either verbally or internally that would convey the fact that I'm rather sorry to be the axe that falls on so many creatures?  Some sort of thanks to the ocean Gods and Godesses for their bounty?

So many of you here seem to not only possess vast amounts of knowledge but also are very eloquent.   Grin 

This is just me, but if I felt that bad and the need to say I was sorry, then I just wouldn't be able to participate. If you truly feel sadness at your actions over these creatures, maybe you should delve further into that. I feel no amount of apology changes the action myself or makes it any better.

But that's just my humble opinion,lol. Bright Blessings.
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« Reply #5: June 29, 2007, 05:00:27 pm »

I own a seafood market and nearly every day I must cook about 20 live crab from our live tanks so that we can have a cooked product for our customers.  I've always felt rather saddish and for a few years now I'd say things like "sorry crabs!" as I threw them in the boil... but lately I feel like I need something more substantial.  So I started "thanking" the crabs for their sacrafice and such as I was tossing them in but that seems a bit ridiculous because they're hardling making a CHOICE to be boiled... eh...

Anyway.  If anyone can think of a quick little chant or something I can say either verbally or internally that would convey the fact that I'm rather sorry to be the axe that falls on so many creatures?  Some sort of thanks to the ocean Gods and Godesses for their bounty?

So many of you here seem to not only possess vast amounts of knowledge but also are very eloquent.   Grin 

Perhaps 'asking' them which ones would be willing to make the sacrifice for their brothers to have another day?

I think I would first ask for those who no longer desired to be in captivity, as well as those who were nearing death from previously existing conditions even if they weren't yet noticeable to come forward. 

I might even elect a "tank king" who had sacred status freeing him or her from the worry of death, and perhaps make small offerings to it in a sympathetic magic style. 
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« Reply #6: June 29, 2007, 05:18:05 pm »

Actually, thanking them for their sacrifice sounds right to me.  Perhaps burn incense every so often in remembrance of them?  Something that comes from YOUR heart would be best.  If you feel really bad, maybe you could donate money to some cause to help conservation issues as far as the ocean goes? 

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I'd encourage Regular practice. It doesn't really matter wether you do it every morning before the first batch, end of the day after last batch, once a week, etc.

I feel that regular practice means in part that you care enough to make time on a regular basis rather than it being an afterthought.
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« Reply #7: June 29, 2007, 11:03:14 pm »

This is just me, but if I felt that bad and the need to say I was sorry, then I just wouldn't be able to participate. If you truly feel sadness at your actions over these creatures, maybe you should delve further into that. I feel no amount of apology changes the action myself or makes it any better.

But that's just my humble opinion,lol. Bright Blessings.

I think I'm not looking so much to apologize for what I do... because it's a necessary action for me, no doubt about it.  I'm maybe looking for a way to verbalize my appreciation and to recognize that a life is ending at my hand.  I don't want to take it lightly or make an effort to just not *think* about it like I've done in the past. 
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« Reply #8: June 29, 2007, 11:04:59 pm »

"Thanking" the crabs for giving up their energy to fuel yours sounds right to me. 

I like this!  Perhaps just a "thank you for your energy" to each of the creatures and then a general "thanks" to the Ocean. 

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« Reply #9: June 29, 2007, 11:08:26 pm »

Perhaps 'asking' them which ones would be willing to make the sacrifice for their brothers to have another day?

I think I would first ask for those who no longer desired to be in captivity, as well as those who were nearing death from previously existing conditions even if they weren't yet noticeable to come forward. 

I might even elect a "tank king" who had sacred status freeing him or her from the worry of death, and perhaps make small offerings to it in a sympathetic magic style. 

These are very interesting ideas but I'm afraid with our setup, not "doable".  They sort of all just mill around and I try hard to randomly grab individuals.  Every once in a while I do release a random crab.  Our shop is right on the water so I just take a crab and go toss him in the boat basin.  lol  I hope one of the harbor seals doesn't get a nice snack... but I feel good about it anyway. 
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« Reply #10: June 29, 2007, 11:36:24 pm »

I think I would first ask for those who no longer desired to be in captivity, as well as those who were nearing death from previously existing conditions even if they weren't yet noticeable to come forward.  

I would hope that any reputable seafood market would make every effort not to have in their stock crabs that were about to die from other causes.  Selling diseased crabmeat for human consumption seems like a really good way to make someone seriously sick.  I suppose they could just be old, but I would think that would be pretty inferior quality meat, which would not generally make customers want to continue to buy from you.
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« Reply #11: June 30, 2007, 12:03:44 am »

I would hope that any reputable seafood market would make every effort not to have in their stock crabs that were about to die from other causes.  Selling diseased crabmeat for human consumption seems like a really good way to make someone seriously sick.  I suppose they could just be old, but I would think that would be pretty inferior quality meat, which would not generally make customers want to continue to buy from you.

Oh gosh Star, it's not actually that far fetched of an idea.  Crab do silly things like try to eat their neighbor and fight with the guy next to them.  It's no big deal to cook up the one that's dropped a leg from a recent fight because he's not likely to survive another day with the rest of his buddies that are in perfect condition.  Crab get damaged from time to time during transportation even using the very best of techniques and it's a very good plan to immediately cook and offer that crab up as a cooked product instead of seeing how it fares in the tank enviornment.  The meat quality from such a crab is exactly the same as one that might be in fine form and ready to spend a few days in the tank.  Smiley

It's funny how in the wild you very rarely see disease.  We go through a LOT of crab (not to mention tons of other wild seafood) and only on the rare occasion do you see anything that looks like it might have health issues.  We do see a lot of Mahi Mahi that have had their spine broken and it's healed... I think that's from catch and release fishing more than anything though. 
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« Reply #12: June 30, 2007, 12:43:28 am »

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« Reply #13: June 30, 2007, 07:27:30 am »

I own a seafood market and nearly every day I must cook about 20 live crab from our live tanks so that we can have a cooked product for our customers.  I've always felt rather saddish and for a few years now I'd say things like "sorry crabs!" as I threw them in the boil... but lately I feel like I need something more substantial.  So I started "thanking" the crabs for their sacrafice and such as I was tossing them in but that seems a bit ridiculous because they're hardling making a CHOICE to be boiled... eh...


I think you are doing fine, and I personally think that thanking the crabs for their sacrifice is apt. They wouldn't have been in the net otherwise, they would have hightailed it outta there, or hidden somewhere the net couldn't get 'em! Wink

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« Reply #14: June 30, 2007, 07:52:24 am »

Oh gosh Star, it's not actually that far fetched of an idea.  Crab do silly things like try to eat their neighbor and fight with the guy next to them.  It's no big deal to cook up the one that's dropped a leg from a recent fight because he's not likely to survive another day with the rest of his buddies that are in perfect condition.  Crab get damaged from time to time during transportation even using the very best of techniques and it's a very good plan to immediately cook and offer that crab up as a cooked product instead of seeing how it fares in the tank enviornment.  The meat quality from such a crab is exactly the same as one that might be in fine form and ready to spend a few days in the tank.  Smiley

Ah, OK.  I wasn't aware of that, sorry.  Thanks for the info.
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