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« Topic Start: June 29, 2007, 07:46:37 pm »

I've been wanting to start using magic for quite a while now, but everything I find is so deeply entrenched with a religion or religious set of standards that I just don't get into it. Mostly I'm finding Wiccan or Wiccan-esque magic and rituals...

My question is, how can I find magic that is religion-neutral (as much as possible) so that I can just do the magic? I don't want some rule or oath that I don't agree with as part of my religion hanging over my head while I essentially use a skill. My Google-fu is not enough...
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« Reply #1: June 29, 2007, 09:55:18 pm »

My question is, how can I find magic that is religion-neutral (as much as possible) so that I can just do the magic? I don't want some rule or oath that I don't agree with as part of my religion hanging over my head while I essentially use a skill. My Google-fu is not enough...

I think a lot of non-Wiccan folk magic might do the trick. Though even that can often involve petitioning spirits and angels and things - but there are a lot of simple spells and procedures that involve none of that. And of course, there's always Chaos Magick.
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« Reply #2: June 29, 2007, 10:39:47 pm »

My question is, how can I find magic that is religion-neutral (as much as possible) so that I can just do the magic? I don't want some rule or oath that I don't agree with as part of my religion hanging over my head while I essentially use a skill. My Google-fu is not enough...

Take a look at ceremonial magic. It really doesn't have deities, just "godforms."  Folk magic is also deity-free although it may not look like it either. Deity names are often used, but you can find similar spells in different cultures with the names changed.
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« Reply #3: June 29, 2007, 10:54:41 pm »


Appalachian folk magic (the old stuff, not this "new" stuff put out by Llewellyn) is neither religion oriented or deity oriented. It just "is".
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« Reply #4: June 30, 2007, 01:59:20 am »

My question is, how can I find magic that is religion-neutral (as much as possible) so that I can just do the magic? I don't want some rule or oath that I don't agree with as part of my religion hanging over my head while I essentially use a skill. My Google-fu is not enough...

Try Isaac Bonewitz's  essays on magic for nuts and bolts basics.  He writes about basic 'laws' of magic.  Contagion, sympathy, other fairly direct and easily understandable types.  He does talk about theurgy, which is deity dependant magic, but he gives a lot of good basic information on the other types as well.  I'm in the middle of moving house so I don't have the direct reference for you, or the time right now to be more coherent, but googling Bonewitz is a good start.

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« Reply #5: June 30, 2007, 02:27:49 am »

My question is, how can I find magic that is religion-neutral (as much as possible) so that I can just do the magic? I don't want some rule or oath that I don't agree with as part of my religion hanging over my head while I essentially use a skill. My Google-fu is not enough...

You might also look into hoodoo and other folk magics.

Try here for starters: http://www.luckymojo.com/
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« Reply #6: June 30, 2007, 02:40:06 am »

I've been wanting to start using magic for quite a while now, but everything I find is so deeply entrenched with a religion or religious set of standards that I just don't get into it.

What about kitchen magic? 

You can't tell me that taking a glob of raw dough, putting it into a pan and baking it for about an hour and then pulling a nice, gorgeous loaf of hot, steaming bread out of the oven isn't magic!  Wink Cheesy
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« Reply #7: June 30, 2007, 04:39:03 am »

I've been wanting to start using magic for quite a while now, but everything I find is so deeply entrenched with a religion or religious set of standards that I just don't get into it. Mostly I'm finding Wiccan or Wiccan-esque magic and rituals...

That's actually a pet peeve of mine, so, yeah. I feel your pain.

One thing to remember is that if you come across a book that has some magic stuff that looks nifty is that you can always try taking the actual spell-bits out of the Wiccan/whatever framework. Steal the idea and change the structure a bit, you know?

Others have already offered grat suggestions (Bonewits, ceremonial, chaos, folk etc) so I don't have much to add there.
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« Reply #8: June 30, 2007, 07:27:10 am »

I suggest folk magic as well, not any specific type, since there is so much out there that you might find interesting.  One of the most commonly used folk magic is Romany Gyspy.  Basically Eastern European gypsies.
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« Reply #10: June 30, 2007, 08:27:56 am »

One of the most commonly used folk magic is Romany Gyspy.  Basically Eastern European gypsies.

It may be common in Europe, but it is practically unknown in the US. It's also very hard to get accurate info on outside of knowing some Romany or some hard to find academic books.
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« Reply #11: June 30, 2007, 08:36:04 am »

It may be common in Europe, but it is practically unknown in the US. It's also very hard to get accurate info on outside of knowing some Romany or some hard to find academic books.

I'm from the states, but my family isn't, so maybe why I know of it.  Hmmm...I'm not sure if it'd be really that hard to find...
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« Reply #12: June 30, 2007, 08:50:54 am »

Hmmm...I'm not sure if it'd be really that hard to find...

Bad info is easy to find, unfortunately.
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« Reply #13: June 30, 2007, 09:08:41 am »

Bad info is easy to find, unfortunately.

True.
Buckland wrote a book about gypsy magic, but I haven't read it so I have no say on it.
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« Reply #14: June 30, 2007, 11:10:32 am »

That's actually a pet peeve of mine, so, yeah. I feel your pain.

One thing to remember is that if you come across a book that has some magic stuff that looks nifty is that you can always try taking the actual spell-bits out of the Wiccan/whatever framework. Steal the idea and change the structure a bit, you know?


You mean that's not what you're supposed to do? Wink
I usually do magic without deity (there are exceptions) but I've always been one for springboarding off an idea for a spell somewhere else and then warping it into something different before I use it.
*shrugs* then again I've never had issue with taking something else and changing it into something new. YMMV
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