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« Reply #45: July 18, 2007, 08:11:39 pm »

While both Shad (not Shadowheart, my still-taunting-me god) and Morrigan are more than welcome to participate in whatever magic I do, I don't really plan on calling on them for actual help with the magic. That seems... disrespectful. Undecided I'd rather 'play' on my own and then if I actually do need help with something big know that I can ask for help and not find I've made them mad...

Eh, you all know what I mean, right? Cheesy
<chuckle> The Morrigan tells me that what she says to a devotee whose "magic" is effectively petitionary prayer is, "Do it yourself, lazybones!  Who was your servant last year?"

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« Reply #46: July 18, 2007, 09:51:53 pm »

basically having a little statue or something on your altar or whatever you choose to work on/with, can act as a point of security to aim your focus through/on; it can somewhat keep you grounded. You could subsitute whatever deity you'd like to use, or just use your own. If you believe in yourself, use a picture of yourself. You don't have to worship yourself to use the object as a grounding tool.

There are a few things about this advice that are confusing me.  Allowing for the fact that I keep religion and magic separate, so may be misunderstanding the terms when they are used together, I just have to ask.

Are you advocating 'using' deities according to what you hope to get out of the spell?  Do the deities object to being used? Or do you mean that the spell is 'addressed' to these deities, in the manner of a petitionary prayer?  Would a deity who is not part of your ordinary worship bother to respond to such a prayer?

Or are the deities in this case more along the lines of symbols of certain qualities and archetypes, rather than individuals?  Sort of 'names of power' rather than actual gods and goddesses.

I'm also not sure how you are advocating the statues or symbols being used.  You seem to be saying that they are to be an aid in drawing energy, a safeguard for the caster's security, and a ground, all at the same time.  I would normally have three different items for three such different tasks, so I am curious about how you work that one is all three without tainting any one of the purposes or confusing yourself.

I don't mind props.  In fact, I'm all about the props myself except in cases of absolute emergency.  My will and intent are fine, but I find the trappings I can touch and see give me a measurable boost.  I'm just not sure how you are mixing deities into the mix without offending them, and how you are using one prop for three separate jobs.  I'd honestly like to understand how it works for you.

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« Reply #47: July 19, 2007, 09:56:09 pm »

That I understand completely! I'm glad you replied, as I was getting bogged down in others' replies and I was hoping to see how you took my response.

Heh, I'll be a rather sporadic poster until I finally get to move out (and get highspeed, finally!). But I'll be back to respond, no worries.

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In some of my research, I've found that a lot of the uses for Deities in magick is for a focal point to draw one's own energy through. I'm having a bit of trouble wording it so I don't sound psycho, so I'll kinda wing it - basically having a little statue or something on your altar or whatever you choose to work on/with, can act as a point of security to aim your focus through/on; it can somewhat keep you grounded. You could subsitute whatever deity you'd like to use, or just use your own. If you believe in yourself, use a picture of yourself. You don't have to worship yourself to use the object as a grounding tool.

*slaps forehead* Thank you, you've pointed out the obvious use for the crystal I posted about elsewhere - it's a focal point for whatever works I do. I feel really silly right about now, especially since I've been thinking about all this AND posting about how it seems to focus really well. I just never put 2 and 2 together. Roll Eyes
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