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« Topic Start: July 07, 2007, 10:52:47 am »

Because I'm curious, and surprisingly I don't see another topic like it, though I may be missing it.

Do you believe in past lives, and/or reincarnation? Does one necessarily include the other? If you do believe in past lives, have you ever tried to discover what they were? What does karma have to do with this issue? Is reincarnation limited to the earthly plane, or do you think that past lives can, and have, been lived on the spiritual plane?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!


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« Reply #1: July 07, 2007, 11:01:58 am »

Because I'm curious, and surprisingly I don't see another topic like it, though I may be missing it.

And because I paid a visit to this site: http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/, where I received this reading:

"I don't know how you feel about it, but you were male in your last earthly incarnation.You were born somewhere in the territory of modern Central Africa around the year 575. Your profession was that of a librarian, priest or keeper of tribal relics.

Your brief psychological profile in your past life:
Seeker of truth and wisdom. You could have seen your future lives. Others perceived you as an idealist illuminating path to future.

The lesson that your last past life brought to your present incarnation:
Your lesson is the development and expansion of your mental consciousness. Find a good teacher and spend a good part of your time and energy on learning from his wisdom.

Do you remember now?"


My initial reaction was of course that this was complete bunk. No past life reading based solely on a birthdate can have any real use whatsoever. Right?

However, my thoughts began churning when I read the analysis, particularly that first line: "I don't know how you feel about it, but you were male in your last earthly incarnation." This was slightly eerie for me, because I have for a long time now thought, with not a great deal of seriousness, that I was male in one of my most recent... erm... lives. (I'm not male, in case you don't know already)

I also have a strange interest in the library, and was surprised to see that next line crop up, though in 575, I'm not sure there were many libraries in the deep central darkness of Africa. As for the rest of it, it comes as no real surprise because, well, seeking wisdom and truth, and illumination, is the core of this life, and if I have had past lives, then it would probably have been a core there.

All in all, I'm not prepared to accept this reading as accurate or anything--too many "complete nonsense" radars are going off for that. But it did inspire some thought, and led me to ask the above questions.


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« Reply #2: July 07, 2007, 11:16:45 am »

Because I'm curious, and surprisingly I don't see another topic like it, though I may be missing it.

Do you believe in past lives, and/or reincarnation? Does one necessarily include the other? If you do believe in past lives, have you ever tried to discover what they were? What does karma have to do with this issue? Is reincarnation limited to the earthly plane, or do you think that past lives can, and have, been lived on the spiritual plane?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!


--Finn



I don't have any firm beliefs on reincarnation or past lives but I like to wonder about it from time to time. 

I tend to have deja vu quite often. Seems to me I've heard that there is a scientific explanation for that, but at times I have wondered if it could be past life related.

I believe that spirits/souls do indeed exist and we may reincarnate if we choose to. Not that we have to. And I think that you could spend as long as you want on that spiritual plane before you chose to reincarnate. Hundreds or thousands of years or immediately after death or not at all, if that's what you chose. I believe spirits exist forever so I imagine that they are somewhere when they aren't occupying bodies or things. I just don't know where that place would be. I have occasionally wondered if my Grandmother reincarnated as my oldest daughter. It's more likely that they are just similar. They have similar features and are/were both hell raisers.  Cheesy

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« Reply #3: July 07, 2007, 11:31:08 am »


All in all, I'm not prepared to accept this reading as accurate or anything--too many "complete nonsense" radars are going off for that. But it did inspire some thought, and led me to ask the above questions.




I know what you mean. I guess you have to go on gut feeling with this kind of thing.

In regards to the library thing... they probably didn't resemble our libraries today but I've read that many *important* writings were left for safekeeping in many places in Africa.
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« Reply #4: July 07, 2007, 12:17:23 pm »

Because I'm curious, and surprisingly I don't see another topic like it, though I may be missing it.

Do you believe in past lives, and/or reincarnation? Does one necessarily include the other? If you do believe in past lives, have you ever tried to discover what they were? What does karma have to do with this issue? Is reincarnation limited to the earthly plane, or do you think that past lives can, and have, been lived on the spiritual plane?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
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Yes and no - nothing like a direct answer!

It is all a bit complicated, hard to explain, but I'll try.......

I do believe in reincarnation, just not in the "traditional" sense.  A Buddhist once told me he believed that you can come back to learn lessons you didn't the first (2nd, 3rd, etc.) time around and you get to choose the lessons you want to learn. Sort of a way to explain why bad things happen to good people I suppose. And I know several others who have this view as well.

My view is that you don't come back exactly. But an aspect of you can come back. When you die you pass into other realms of existence. In one realm you can send your energy back as a spiritual lifeforce. You can simultaneously exist in various realms. But may not be conscience of this, depending on the realm.  The you of other realms can be as involved or non-involved with the Earthly you as desired. Hence, you are sort of your own guardian spirit in a way. You can also be thought of as your own spiritual "parent" and this "parent" can have other you's (children) running about as well. I also believe that it is possible to be in touch with the other you's in other realms if you are receptive and they are willing.

Ever play a computer role playing game where you create characters in different worlds? It's sort of like that in a way.

I have many memories that are not my own, that I believe are memories of such a spiritual parent and spiritual siblings (which are all really just aspects of me).

So, have I throughly made a mess of explaining this or does it slightly make sense?



 

 
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« Reply #5: July 07, 2007, 04:36:01 pm »

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So, have I throughly made a mess of explaining this or does it slightly make sense?

Makes sense to me. Actually pretty much like what I believe--though the "ourselves as spiritual parents" thing was new, but maybe that just fits into the subtle bodies (etheric, astral, etc) hypothesis. I don't know.

This is why, even though I believe in reincarnation, the thought of death depresses me--because I'll never be me again. And I like me. (Well, yeah, I'm a Leo.)
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« Reply #6: July 07, 2007, 04:47:04 pm »

And because I paid a visit to this site: http://www.thebigview.com/pastlife/, where I received this reading:

<snip>

All in all, I'm not prepared to accept this reading as accurate or anything--too many "complete nonsense" radars are going off for that. But it did inspire some thought, and led me to ask the above questions.

I went and did the same thing (I'm such a band-wagoner).

This is my "diagnosis":

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I don't know how you feel about it, but you were female in your last earthly incarnation.You were born somewhere in the territory of modern Saudi Arabia around the year 1200. Your profession was that of a trainer or holder of fine animals, such as birds..


Complete and utter nonsense, with the exception of the bird connection. I'm pretty sure I was male in my past life (I'm female now) and that my last earthly incarnation was a lot more recent than 1200.

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Revolutionary type. You inspired changes in any sphere - politics, business, religion, housekeeping. You could have been a leader.

Could be true, could not. I consider myself a revolutionary/leader type in this lifetime, so this is really a toss up.

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Your lesson is to learn humility and faith in spiritual principles. You should believe in higher reasons.

This seems right to me. But that's probably coincidence.
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« Reply #7: July 07, 2007, 06:34:57 pm »

Do you believe in past lives, and/or reincarnation?
I have what appear to be past-life memories (more than one life; some have a fair bit of detail).  I find that it's often most functional to suppose they're exactly what they seem to be - when I do it that way, they are likely to stir up productive-to-this-life lines of thought, or at the very least entertain me; attempting to consider them in any other way just leads to aimless metaphysical speculation.  This doesn't mean they are past-life memories, nor even that I believe them to be in any concrete way - I'm pretty agnostic about them really.  It's just that I figure what the heck is the point in having the durn things, if I can't do something productive with them?

Partly as a result of this, and partly for other reasons (i.e., several years' worth of figuring out what offended my reason, and what my reason would accept, in the way of after-death notions - it's good with "nothing is wasted" in various forms, and it's good with oblivion, but the latter isn't inspiring), I lean strongly toward belief in reincarnation, or at the least to something that functions similarly (creates apparent memories, which may be shared with others, etc.).

It's not something I'm comfortable going into much detail about, partly because it seems quite personal, and partly because of the "flake factor".  I'll say this about them, though:  some of my "alteregos" could afford footwear, but none of them were anything particularly special except to themselves and their family/friends.

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« Reply #8: July 07, 2007, 06:46:58 pm »

This seems right to me. But that's probably coincidence.

That's the way I felt about it too. Still, it made me think about past lives as a broader topic. I realize I never really responded to my own question, but that's because I'm still fuzzy on it. Maybe once I read other peoples' thoughts on it, I might be able to articulate my own feelings about it.
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« Reply #9: July 07, 2007, 07:26:20 pm »

I have what appear to be past-life memories (more than one life; some have a fair bit of detail).  I find that it's often most functional to suppose they're exactly what they seem to be - when I do it that way, they are likely to stir up productive-to-this-life lines of thought, or at the very least entertain me; attempting to consider them in any other way just leads to aimless metaphysical speculation.  This doesn't mean they are past-life memories, nor even that I believe them to be in any concrete way - I'm pretty agnostic about them really.  It's just that I figure what the heck is the point in having the durn things, if I can't do something productive with them?

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« Reply #10: July 07, 2007, 08:14:32 pm »

You always make such beautiful sense, Sunflower!
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« Reply #11: July 07, 2007, 08:59:14 pm »

Do you believe in past lives, and/or reincarnation? Does one necessarily include the other? If you do believe in past lives, have you ever tried to discover what they were? What does karma have to do with this issue? Is reincarnation limited to the earthly plane, or do you think that past lives can, and have, been lived on the spiritual plane?

Surprise surprise, I have a complicated answer. Cheesy

I don't believe in past lives as in all that is currently Shadow was once some dude in Japan, f'ex.  Or someone in the 50s, or someone that FINALLY died from life support failure, or any of the other shards of memory I've got kicking around.

I believe that those people existed, lived, and died.  And of their bits, pieces of what was their soul are now part of mine.  Not a one-to-one relationship .. I am not them, they are not me, and there's a lot more of them that's NOT me than is.

But bits of identity cling to bits of soul.  Nothing is lost.  Nothing is forgotten.  IMO.
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« Reply #12: July 07, 2007, 09:34:59 pm »

Do you believe in past lives, and/or reincarnation?

Well, yes, in a way.  I do believe in reincarnation, but reincarnation as the normal version is a little too simplistic.  My version is very similar to Nile Lily's actually.  I believe there is an Overall Soul and different parts or aspects of this soul (the fingers as part of the hand analogy I used in the akashic records thread I believe it was) and we can have several "split souls"  or aspects running around at the same time, both here and other places, and at different times in history.  Whether the aspects or "fingers" at any given time ever exactly repeat, or if the overall soul sends out a different composite of its soul aspects to make a different finger next time is another question.

As far as memories, I have distinct WWII memories, and not very nice ones.  There are vague glimpses of other lifetimes as well.  But the WWII ones are the most detailed. 

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and it's good with oblivion, but the latter isn't inspiring

Personally, some days I find oblivion comforting.  I really don't want to reincarnate.  Living once is full of quite enough crap.
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« Reply #14: July 11, 2007, 12:00:44 pm »

Because I'm curious, and surprisingly I don't see another topic like it, though I may be missing it.

Do you believe in past lives, and/or reincarnation? Does one necessarily include the other?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!


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I have had many, many past lives. A number of sensitives have picked this up over the years and as well as that, my palmistry indicates it too. In most of them I have been a mystic/teacher/shaman or an outlaw-sometimes a shaman and an outlaw. I was burnt at the stake at least once and in a recent life I was my great aunt. She was a closet mystic, (playing) card and tea-leaf reader and Presbyterian Sunday School teacher. She (I) was a gifted artist of moderate fame and was always the black sheep with red hair!

In this life, I have come out of the closet-most people know I have mystical "leanings"-I read (tarot) cards and sometimes tea leaves, I have considerable artistic talent including the ability to do spirit portraits, I still have gingery hair and the same face and am still the black sheep! I tapped into "her" etheric field and found that it was indistinguishable from my own. A number of family members have commented on my resemblence to her both in appearance, temperament and interests, including my own father. My father famously commented, "Gee, you remind me of Aunt G..." and again "...She had some very strange beliefs, she did...She was into this mysticism thing..." Dad was a small boy when he knew her and used to live in the same house with her-together with his mother (a widow) and her parents (Aunt G. and Grandmother's parents). Aunt G. was a spinster and so never moved out of the family home, so my Dad would have known her better than most folks. Apparently she kept her magickal practices very well hidden, but it is almost impossible to hide anything from an inquisitive little boy. Apparently, he was her favourite though and she treated him with great kindness. I still love my Dad very much. He weas an absolutely top class bloke.   
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