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« Topic Start: July 21, 2007, 12:04:02 am »

I found this link (warning: audio link). Most interesting, it makes me think of C. S. Lewis. Nice to know that ChristoMagick is not new.

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« Reply #1: July 21, 2007, 10:06:31 am »

I found this link (warning: audio link). Most interesting, it makes me think of C. S. Lewis. Nice to know that ChristoMagick is not new.

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I'll have to read up on this one some more.
 

I enjoyed it - but please make note there is a Harry Potter spoiler in it!

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« Reply #2: July 21, 2007, 11:44:25 am »

I enjoyed it - but please make note there is a Harry Potter spoiler in it!



Yeah, but I hardly noticed it. The rest of it was so interesting! I think that the Harry Potter stuff was just put in there to draw in all the "muggles"! Wink Cheesy

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« Reply #3: November 03, 2007, 01:30:55 pm »

I found this link (warning: audio link). Most interesting, it makes me think of C. S. Lewis. Nice to know that ChristoMagick is not new.

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Christian magic has been around as long as there has been a church. Until the Councils decreed that magic not done by the Catholic priesthood was anathma, it was real prevelent. since that time the Church still practices magic but most people don't realise it because the termonology is differtent. the rite of exorcism for instance is a ceremonial magic rite. If you look hgard enough at Christianity, especially the Catholic church you can find correlations everywhere.
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« Reply #4: November 03, 2007, 02:08:25 pm »

since that time the Church still practices magic but most people don't realise it because the termonology is differtent. the rite of exorcism for instance is a ceremonial magic rite. If you look hgard enough at Christianity, especially the Catholic church you can find correlations everywhere.

You can find correlations and things that look similar to magic, but I find it a little offensive to insist that it's "really" magic even though they don't believe it is.  (And just because it looks similar doesn't mean it's the same thing anyway, really.)  Sort of along the same lines as fundies telling us that we "really" worship Satan, you know?  If we don't want them redefining our religions for us, I think we ought to offer the same respect in return.
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« Reply #5: November 03, 2007, 04:01:41 pm »

I found this link (warning: audio link). Most interesting, it makes me think of C. S. Lewis. Nice to know that ChristoMagick is not new.

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I'll have to read up on this one some more.
 

There is a good book on Christian magic on amazon. 
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« Reply #6: November 03, 2007, 04:07:38 pm »

You can find correlations and things that look similar to magic, but I find it a little offensive to insist that it's "really" magic even though they don't believe it is.  (And just because it looks similar doesn't mean it's the same thing anyway, really.)  Sort of along the same lines as fundies telling us that we "really" worship Satan, you know?  If we don't want them redefining our religions for us, I think we ought to offer the same respect in return.

I have to agree - just because "we" (generally) might see it as magic doesn't make it so. And certainly it's not in their worldview to call it magic. Same as, to follow Star's example, while they might believe I am worshipping Satan, that doesn't change what *I* believe I am doing.

What we (they) think of what they (we) are doing doesn't have any effect on what they (we) believe they (we) are doing. It works both ways.
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« Reply #7: November 03, 2007, 05:31:34 pm »

The rite of exorcism for instance is a ceremonial magic rite. If you look hgard enough at Christianity, especially the Catholic church you can find correlations everywhere.

The way a Catholic priest would do a Rite of Exorcism and the way I would do one using CM are actually quite a bit different despite some surface similarities. For one thing, in the Catholic rite the priest is calling on God and Jesus to cast out the demon(s) whereas I would be using magic to cast them out myself.
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« Reply #8: November 03, 2007, 08:00:10 pm »

The way a Catholic priest would do a Rite of Exorcism and the way I would do one using CM are actually quite a bit different despite some surface similarities. For one thing, in the Catholic rite the priest is calling on God and Jesus to cast out the demon(s) whereas I would be using magic to cast them out myself.


That's an interesting distinction.  One that, surprisingly, I never thought of when I was a Christian.  I only attended one exorcism, and the only other person in attendance was the person I was exorcising (this was an emergency situation where the victim started gouging his own eyes and attempting to choke himself), and I recall it being a very distinct battle of wills, as opposed to a "Power of Christ compels you" kind of deal.  I have heard retellings of plenty of exorcisms, but this situation was very clearly a "me against it" situation, and I was not throwing out anything except for direct commands to the spirit, no "In the name of Jesus" needed.  I was much more interested in bringing the victim's psyche back to the forefront of his mind so that he could exorcise the spirit himself.

Whether there was a mundane explanation for my exorcism experience, I'll never know.  All I know is I ended up wrestling my best friend to the floor to keep him from killing himself, and the problem went away after that night.


EDIT TO ADD:  I'm not sure I would qualify my actions as magickal, but they weren't necessarily religious, either.  If magick simply involves exerting one's will upon something else, then it was magick, but I didn't think most magick involved spirit-wrestling  Grin
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« Reply #9: November 04, 2007, 12:47:50 am »

You can find correlations and things that look similar to magic, but I find it a little offensive to insist that it's "really" magic even though they don't believe it is.  (And just because it looks similar doesn't mean it's the same thing anyway, really.)  Sort of along the same lines as fundies telling us that we "really" worship Satan, you know?  If we don't want them redefining our religions for us, I think we ought to offer the same respect in return.

I'll continue this discussion on the new thread "Magick vs Religious Ceremonies"
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« Reply #10: November 04, 2007, 08:51:50 am »

I'll continue this discussion on the new thread "Magick vs Religious Ceremonies"

Guineith,

Actually...  I wish you'd left it here, even if you posted a new post saying "I just found the new thread and will repost my response there," or something.  Our rules pretty clearly state that no major edits are to be done after more than 2-3 minutes have passed, since by that time people have probably already read the post and you'd be changing the conversation for them.  Editing to remove the entire post 40 minutes after posting is a pretty big violation of that.  I'm not going to warn you on this because I know you meant well, but please remember it in the future, because this really is a pretty serious violation.

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« Reply #11: November 14, 2007, 11:34:02 pm »

Guineith,

Actually...  I wish you'd left it here, even if you posted a new post saying "I just found the new thread and will repost my response there," or something.  Our rules pretty clearly state that no major edits are to be done after more than 2-3 minutes have passed, since by that time people have probably already read the post and you'd be changing the conversation for them.  Editing to remove the entire post 40 minutes after posting is a pretty big violation of that.  I'm not going to warn you on this because I know you meant well, but please remember it in the future, because this really is a pretty serious violation.

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« Reply #12: November 15, 2007, 11:29:44 am »

Should I post a copy of it back here?

Nah, don't worry about it this time--just something to keep in mind next time.  Smiley  Thanks!
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« Reply #13: November 15, 2007, 08:33:37 pm »

Nah, don't worry about it this time--just something to keep in mind next time.  Smiley  Thanks!
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« Reply #14: November 15, 2007, 09:04:45 pm »

I found this link (warning: audio link). Most interesting, it makes me think of C. S. Lewis. Nice to know that ChristoMagick is not new.
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With Medieval Spells comes Medieval witches and Ingredients. Witches talked in code *as some still do*, as in written form could mean death. To avoid recipes to be known names were given to common plants. Some we still use today.
I have found discrep's in info so I'm not sure which plant at times.

Bat's Wings: Holly
Bear's Foot: Lady's Mantle
Calf's Snout: Snapdragon
Sparrow's Tongue: Knotweed
tongue of dog - hound's tongue, Cynoglossom officinale

Are a few that are often mentioned in spells of old. Seems many are in agreement to plant coded.
hmmm, hope I've got the right time period.. Ya, I think I do. *chuckle*
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