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« Topic Start: July 25, 2007, 01:23:33 pm »

Dear all

My name is Benjamin and I live in Cornwall, England. I found this forum as part of my research into chaos magic, which is of particular interest to me.

My primary passion is art. I have collected paintings for many years and consider them a part of my life, when I am fortunate enough to add to my collection I see it as a great blessing for which I am grateful. I also sell art as a profession and take great pleasure in providing those who share my passion with a piece of artwork that will bring them joy for a lifetime.

But my interest in the arts transcends paint and extends to the magical, for as long as I can remember I have had an academic (if not particularly comprehensive) interest in magic. I feel however that I have barely scratched the surface and I am conscious of the fact that my knowledge is severely limited, during the last few months I have resolved to change that.

For reasons unknown to me I am drawn to chaos magic, although it is only recently that I have discovered it my thirst for further knowledge in this area is beginning to consume a great deal of my time. Thus far my learning has been limited to online research but today I have ordered a copy of The Book of Pleasure by Austin Spare, I am aware that this will not provide me with all I need to know but I consider it to be a good start.

Something is different this time; as I mentioned earlier I have always been interested in magic but my interest has always been academic. It is only now that I feel a desire to practice and I think it is my growing knowledge of chaos that has precipitated this shift. To me knowledge of chaos magic can only really come through practice; perhaps this is because it is an art that is personal to the practitioner, based not on following tradition and tried and tested technique but on creating your own methods and making it work your way. I hope I am not misguided in that belief.

But more than that for the first time I can visualise its potential and almost see it working before even venturing forward. This faith is somewhat alien to me; I have always sought proof that something is effective before engaging myself with it. But for one reason or another I trust it.

So I have begun with no small measure of enthusiasm preparations for my first Working. I would like this first experience to be a private affair so forgive me for not elaborating further. But once beyond that initial taste I would dearly love to share my ongoing experiences, and it will be interesting for me to talk about my successes and failures with you all.

Until then, I wish you well and I will look forward to speaking again here soon.

Benjamin.

 
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« Reply #4: July 25, 2007, 04:39:19 pm »

My name is Benjamin and I live in Cornwall, England. I found this forum as part of my research into chaos magic, which is of particular interest to me.

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« Reply #5: July 25, 2007, 05:34:52 pm »

My name is Benjamin and I live in Cornwall, England. I found this forum as part of my research into chaos magic, which is of particular interest to me.

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Thus far my learning has been limited to online research but today I have ordered a copy of The Book of Pleasure by Austin Spare, I am aware that this will not provide me with all I need to know but I consider it to be a good start.

Some of the Chaos mages here can probably suggest books if you are looking for more reading material
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« Reply #6: July 26, 2007, 05:54:55 am »

For reasons unknown to me I am drawn to chaos magic, although it is only recently that I have discovered it my thirst for further knowledge in this area is beginning to consume a great deal of my time. Thus far my learning has been limited to online research but today I have ordered a copy of The Book of Pleasure by Austin Spare, I am aware that this will not provide me with all I need to know but I consider it to be a good start.

Welcome to the Cauldron.  I actually wouldn't recommend Spare as a starting point.  He can be an interesting read, in the sense of seeing which of his ideas influenced Chaos magic...  but his approach isn't the same as modern Chaos magic (in fact, he'd probably regard portions of Chaos magic as missing the point, and so forth), plus he can be tricky to read.  Still worh reading at some point, since you already have ordered the book. Smiley

Phil Hine is probably one of the more accessible authors on Chaos magic.  Peter Carroll's Liber Null and Psychonaut is another possible 'beginner' book, although he has a tendency to make statements that he doesn't back up, and seems to enjoy making allusions that he has no intention of clarifying.  In some ways he's more *interesting* to read than Hine, but Hine is more likely to actually say it straight. Smiley

A lot of the basics can be found online, however.
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« Reply #7: July 26, 2007, 06:24:52 am »

Thank you for your advice EverFool. When The Book of Pleasure arrives I will set it to one side and return to it at a later time.

I have looked at some of the works of Phil Hine, in particular Condensed Chaos which struck me as being particularly basic. Feeling ready to advance a few steps I have decided to buy Peter Carroll's Liber Null and Psychonaut instead, I will let you know what I think. If you think there is a single book, regardless of author, that I must read then I would be interested to hear about it.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #8: July 26, 2007, 06:42:28 am »

I have looked at some of the works of Phil Hine, in particular Condensed Chaos which struck me as being particularly basic. Feeling ready to advance a few steps I have decided to buy Peter Carroll's Liber Null and Psychonaut instead, I will let you know what I think. If you think there is a single book, regardless of author, that I must read then I would be interested to hear about it.

I would agree that Hine is fairly basic (if he'd somehow combined Condensed Chaos and Prime Chaos, I think he might have had a better book), but I think he explains Carroll's ideas a little better than Carrol does.  Unfortuantely they can sound a little less exciting coming from Hine.

Liber Null & Psychonaut, as you've read Hine, should probably be enough to get you started in Chaos Magic.  Liber Kaos wasn't very good in my view, and pretty much all the material can be got free online.  If you don't have any background in Ceremonial Magick, 'Modern Magick' by Kraig is a pretty good book.  It's a good grounding in Ceremonial Magic, and as Carroll uses a few Ceremonial terms without defining them...  well, let's just say that when I went back to Liber Null after reading Kraig, more of it made sense. Smiley

You don't really need to read a lot of books to get Chaos magic theory - it's pretty basic.  The trick is actually to bring it into your life (every now and then, I still have a light bulb moment when something I *knew* actually becomes real for me, because I've had the experience that actually makes it make sense.)
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« Reply #9: July 27, 2007, 06:04:59 am »

Thank you again EverFool.

I will most certainly add Donald Kraig's Modern Magick to my reading list. Ceremonial Magic is something I have come across while studying but I have never gone deeper into the subject so your recommendation will make good reading I'm sure.

I expect chaos will get more simple for me as time passes, but it is just too tempting to absorb as much detail as possible and I'm sure my initial workings will be far more intricate and elaborate than they need to be! The enthusiasm of the novice is a formidable force!

Can I ask you EverFool, is chaos an area of specialisation for you or is it just one of several interests?

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« Reply #10: July 27, 2007, 09:03:59 am »


Can I ask you EverFool, is chaos an area of specialisation for you or is it just one of several interests?

I used to define myself as a Chaote.  I'm going through a somewhat atheistic period, and I don't particularly believe in magic at the moment.  (true to form, however, that doesn't stop me performing it anyway when I see a potential need.  I never claimed to be consistent).

So Chaos is my main focus, although I have looked in other areas.  I often focus it through Ceremonial  Magic as I find it a helpful resource.  Kinda depends on what I'm aiming to achieve.  I tend to work at the problem, and dcide what tools I have would work best. Wink
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« Reply #11: July 28, 2007, 06:50:27 am »

So Chaos is my main focus, although I have looked in other areas.  I often focus it through Ceremonial  Magic as I find it a helpful resource.  Kinda depends on what I'm aiming to achieve.  I tend to work at the problem, and dcide what tools I have would work best.

Well from time to time if I have a question on chaos may I ask you about it?

Incidently, I have only just noticed the article you wrote titled 'A Chaos Magic Primer'. It was a very interesting read, I only wish I'd found it a few months ago!

Benjamin

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« Reply #12: July 28, 2007, 08:07:01 am »

Well from time to time if I have a question on chaos may I ask you about it?

You sure can, although there are other Chaotes/ Chaos magicians knocking about as well.  I'm glad you liked the primer. Smiley
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