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« Topic Start: July 30, 2007, 07:01:53 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?
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« Reply #1: July 30, 2007, 07:15:55 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

I don't, but all of my rituals are celebratory in nature; I don't do ritual spell-casting or the like.
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« Reply #2: July 30, 2007, 07:51:28 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

I'm a pretty lazy person so if I'm going through all the prep work for a ritual in the first place, then I've probably done everything else that I can think of already. So, in that case, doing a reading wouldn't make sense.

For you, has a reading changed how you do a ritual? Or even stopped you from doing a ritual you had already planned out?
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« Reply #3: July 30, 2007, 07:57:56 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

If you are going to be doing a ritual for just magic, then divination before and after is reasonable.

If the ritual is purely religious celebration, then no need for divination before hand. There might, depending upon the religion, be a need for a divination near the end of the ritual.
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« Reply #4: July 30, 2007, 09:56:48 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

I actually consider divination a form of ritual, so doing one beforehand would be besides the point.

The majority of my rituals do not include some form of spell casting but are done more for expressing gratitude and honoring the Divine involvemnet in my daily life. In fact, I can count on my fingers all the spells I have cast in the last 10 years and still have plenty left over.  Grin
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« Reply #5: July 30, 2007, 10:32:02 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

I always do if I am doing a magical working, but not if it's a holiday celebration. I do not need to know if things are 'right' to celebrate say, the Winter Solstice. I'm going to have a big dinner and tree and family etc no matter what!

I always do at the very least a tarot reading before casting what I term a 'Big Deal' Spell, of which I cast perhaps one or two annually. I do the divination far ahead of the actual planning and timing of the spell, in fact the divination helps me find the best time. I will wait until I feel very clear and confident as to my intent and focus. Tarot helps me see what may be operating on deeper levels that may effect the outcome.
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« Reply #6: July 30, 2007, 10:42:35 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

I don't think it's all that necessary. The way I see it, if I'm at all unsure about the outcome I shouldn't be doing the ritual. Of course, that applies to the very few magical workings I do, and I only do magic for very important things. When I do it, I'm sure of what I need to be doing, and if I'm not, I don't do it.

Most of my rituals are just religious in nature and if I do any sort of divination (I did one for Samhain for instance) it's just because I want to do it as part of the ritual.

ETA: I'm not all that good at divination anyway, so I tend to trust my instinct more than my cards (or Runes, which I might start using in this fashion once I've used them more than twice).
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« Reply #7: July 30, 2007, 10:45:26 pm »

does anyone else use this safeguard?

I often do a divination before doing magic to see if there are any influences I'm not aware of that would make it a bad time to do the magic (or other such issues). I basically use divination like I would a weather forecast if I were planning a weekend of outdoor activity.
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« Reply #8: July 31, 2007, 11:55:11 am »

For you, has a reading changed how you do a ritual? Or even stopped you from doing a ritual you had already planned out?

a negative reading wouldn't really change how I perform a ritual but it has caused me to delay a couple and cancel one altogether.

this turned out to be the right thing to do, about 3 weeks later I received the answer i was looking for without any intervention on my part.

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« Reply #9: July 31, 2007, 02:27:55 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

I don't to see if it'ss *necessary*, since it's not like just doing a spell, but I see ritual as a communion,celebration, many things. It depends if I feel the need for one or not and the question usually only arises if there are circumstances, for example my health, timing in accordance to events that have me in a different mind state,etc.

I think it can be a nice safeguard, but I usually only do a divination if i'm unsure when working magic/spellwork with a tarot layout I have for spellcasting.

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« Reply #10: July 31, 2007, 04:50:39 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

For me it would very much depend on the nature of the ritual, and on circumstances. As a general precaution I can see it's a usefulness, but it's not necessarily something I do, it very much depends on the situation and circumstances. (And no that doesn't mean I would just up and do something on a whim without consideration for consequence or necessity.)
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« Reply #11: July 31, 2007, 08:22:58 pm »

does anyone else use this safeguard?

Count me in the "It depends on what's going on" approach.

For group work: we rarely do divination specifically: our rituals are usually hashed out among multiple people, and if someone has a concern, it usually shows up intuititively. We have occasionally done communal divination about things like whether someone is approaching being ready for initiation, but that's a different sort of thing.

For personal work, it still depends. I generally phrase my magical workings as openended (f'example: bring me job opportunities that would be best for me: here's the stuff I really care about') rather than "I really want X new job. I wouldn't do divination specifically for the magical part of that: I might do divinatory or personal shadow work relating to what I really want to focus on in a job. (Public library vs. school, for example, or "Lots of people vs. small community" or whatever.)

Celebratory ritual, daily practice, etc. I wouldn't do divination *for*, though I may do divination as part of the ritual itself (but then, not focusing on "Should I do this ritual this way", but some different question.
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« Reply #12: July 31, 2007, 08:52:40 pm »

I believe it's very important to do some form of divinastion before a ritual to see if it's teally necessary.

does anyone else use this safeguard?

For me, it depends on the ritual. If it involves spellwork that is attempting to heal or work with another person (usually with their consent, but not always) I will usually consult the tarot or the runes to get an idea of whether this is a good idea, whether I'm the right person to be doing the ritual, and potential outcomes. But it will also depend on the advice of my ancestors too, which I tend to feel or hear through UPG.

For personal spellwork, like prosperity magic, self-healing, pathworking in general, I tend not to divine beforehand. If I can't trust enough in my own instincts, and in my relationship with the gods and ancestors that I need to check through a divinatory tool that isn't my body... then for me personally it shows a lack of trust and faith in myself.

If I am being drawn to do a spell for myself, and then furthermore am receiving a 'green light' so to speak from my spirit guides or ancestors, then to go one step further and consult the cards feels like I'm just going 'well, I don't really believe in the first few... so I'll just go to the tarot now.' I know it doesn't need to be interpreted that way, it is how it feels for me. I like to have faith in myself and my instincts, through doing so they become further honed.

For most other rituals, divination isn't something I feel necessary at all, except of course when I'm doing divination rituals.  Cheesy
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