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« Reply #15: August 08, 2007, 08:04:37 pm »


It's surely just an overactive imagination, but whenever I find one, my mind starts racing through all the fanciful possibilities of what that key might open...when really what's being opened up is my mind, I guess.

Still makes me think of The Secret Garden every time I read your post.
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« Reply #16: August 08, 2007, 08:09:48 pm »

When my little sister wants to access a different level of perception she very often uses a key to 'unlock' access to that. It seems to work very well for her.

That ties in quite well with my UPG of: A state akin to a threshold attained upon realization and understanding. that I was mentioning up-thread in response to Gina's statements.
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« Reply #17: August 08, 2007, 08:12:12 pm »

(And one of them I keep under my pillow for dreamwork sometimes, so I guess that's a magical use.)

Well, I am unfamiliar with Hekates demesne and realms of influence but I can say dreamwork was mentioned in association with Epona's key, so sure, why would it be restricted to one goddess?
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« Reply #18: August 08, 2007, 10:57:27 pm »

Hmm...I wonder if I can use something akin to this to deal with what I've got going on now...

Perhaps this symbology of the key is what is needed for you to figure out how to unlock the way for you to make your aura smaller so you don't get "bleed over" from everybody else?
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« Reply #19: August 09, 2007, 01:02:06 am »

Perhaps this symbology of the key is what is needed for you to figure out how to unlock the way for you to make your aura smaller so you don't get "bleed over" from everybody else?

That situation is tied in but I'm actually looking at more of a root cause of that problem where the 'Auric Warning System' is a symptom of a deeper issue.  I'm wondering if I can use this key symbology to 'unlock' the root of this issue so I can begin working with it more productively.

Ok, why am I hearing Robin Williams cry, "Ok, release the subconscious!"?

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« Reply #20: August 09, 2007, 03:49:47 pm »

That's quite a unique usage that I hadn't considered.  I won't presume to analyze the mechanism at work here but it is certainly something to keep in mind.  Thank you for sharing it.

Either had I but it has served me well. I'd say the only thing at work would be my grandmother,lol, outside of that i haven't bothered to analyze it either. Glad I could help.

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« Reply #21: August 09, 2007, 08:21:12 pm »

I'm seeing it kinda that way too but with a 'between' aspect to it as well.  'Between' the worlds as it were.
Yupyup, that too.  I probably should have specified it as well - it's so internalized for me that I didn't think to, but that sort of thing is exactly what I should be specifying, so those (especially among the "rational mystics") who haven't yet internalized it as much can better do so.

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« Reply #22: August 09, 2007, 08:48:09 pm »

Yupyup, that too.

Is it just me or does anyone else get that this 'between the worlds' aspect of liminality has a structure that could almost be thought of as a 'world' unto itself?  A world of slipping sideways while in the threshold and finding that space within the walls that separate the worlds?  Essentially a place from which any world can be accessed provided you have the key to do so. 

Maybe it's just my mind putting a form to a concept that I haven't quite grasped yet.
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« Reply #23: August 09, 2007, 08:56:28 pm »

Is it just me or does anyone else get that this 'between the worlds' aspect of liminality has a structure that could almost be thought of as a 'world' unto itself?  A world of slipping sideways while in the threshold and finding that space within the walls that separate the worlds?  Essentially a place from which any world can be accessed provided you have the key to do so. 

Maybe it's just my mind putting a form to a concept that I haven't quite grasped yet.

Why was the first thought I had "The Magician's Nephew" and the world between worlds - ok, second thought, the first was about airports.

(I apologise, I am definitely off centre today, to put it mildly.)
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« Reply #24: August 09, 2007, 10:43:32 pm »

Why was the first thought I had "The Magician's Nephew" and the world between worlds - ok, second thought, the first was about airports.

It's been a very long time since I've read that book so I can't help you there.  The airport idea is easy enough to explain though: You're in a place where you have multiple thresholds (terminals) that will allow you to access any number of different worlds (cities).

See you're not that far off centre.... or maybe I'm just skewed that way too...  Wink
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« Reply #25: August 09, 2007, 10:49:14 pm »

It's been a very long time since I've read that book so I can't help you there.  The airport idea is easy enough to explain though: You're in a place where you have multiple thresholds (terminals) that will allow you to access any number of different worlds (cities).

See you're not that far off centre.... or maybe I'm just skewed that way too...  Wink

If you're skewed the same way I am, be scared Wink

Airports came to mind because Garnet (I think) brought them to mind and I posted about them in my LJ earlier today on a similar vein. I'd be scared to work out just how many weeks I spent in airports when I was younger.

The Magician's Nephew had the world/wood between worlds (whatever they actually called it) with pools that allowed access to different worlds, although some had dried up, etc. If I remember right... (and a few guinea pigs (?) wandering around it from the Uncle's experiements lol)
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« Reply #26: August 09, 2007, 10:57:48 pm »

I posted about them in my LJ earlier today on a similar vein.
Or alternatively, I thought I did, but didn't, and have now. Anyway, purely for reference...with a couple of edits so it makes some kind of sense.

"Something just reminded me of something that definitely ties into the whole 'in between' places theme of late. Airports. Not surprising I didn't remember sooner since it's now years since I last set foot in an airport - but, for the previous 35 years I spent a lot of time in airports. And I mean a lot.

 It was the fastest, easiest, and often the only, way between the two islands I lived on. And since for some years I was at school on one while living on another, yeah, I spent a helluva lot of time in airports.

Days sometimes thanks to fog. And I've always liked them, as places. As places that are 'in between', that are neither part of where you are, nor part of wherever you are going. Oddly enough I find them safe, a place where I can be, without being anywhere that anyone can find me. A facet I've made use of a time or two.

In short, for me, airports as an archetype are naturally 'in between' places, a world of their own."
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« Reply #27: August 09, 2007, 11:51:56 pm »

Is it just me or does anyone else get that this 'between the worlds' aspect of liminality has a structure that could almost be thought of as a 'world' unto itself?  A world of slipping sideways while in the threshold and finding that space within the walls that separate the worlds?  Essentially a place from which any world can be accessed provided you have the key to do so. 

Maybe it's just my mind putting a form to a concept that I haven't quite grasped yet.
Yes, that's what (in my understanding/experience) the Between the Worlds of a cast circle is - consider some of the relevant liturgy:  "a place that is not a place, a time that is not a time"... "We stand outside time, in a place not of earth"... ", etc.  This isn't just pretty religious poetry, it's descriptive.

I've never really experienced anything I'd describe as "slipping sideways"; I'm also doubtful about the usefulness of the model of walls separating the worlds and of spaces between them - the latter sounds rather cramped, and for the former I find the "veil" imagery more useful, as it doesn't carry an inherent implication of "solid and impassable".

While my doubts about this are rooted in having a good bit of hands-on experience with this sort of thing, it is a matter of models, giving us a frame by which to comprehend something we're otherwise not equipped to fully perceive and comprehend, rather than a matter of concrete fact - the maps we use are very definitely not the territory!  I know that my model works, not just for me but, fairly consistently, for others; I believe that your model would be more hindrance than help for me - but it might be exactly what's most effective for you.

This convo is veering more and more in a "'Kin SIG" direction; do we want to start a thread there about the connection between keys and liminality, and/or about various possible Otherworlds-related models, and let this thread focus more on the thaumaturgical/World of Form aspects of key magic?

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« Reply #28: August 10, 2007, 09:04:09 am »

This convo is veering more and more in a "'Kin SIG" direction; do we want to start a thread there about the connection between keys and liminality, and/or about various possible Otherworlds-related models, and let this thread focus more on the thaumaturgical/World of Form aspects of key magic?

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It might be a good idea, as I started to respond with something that would be far more at home in the kin sig!

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« Reply #29: August 10, 2007, 06:30:09 pm »

This convo is veering more and more in a "'Kin SIG" direction; do we want to start a thread there about the connection between keys and liminality, and/or about various possible Otherworlds-related models

Cool, I see the thread was started (thanks, Gina) so I'll continue the liminal convo over there.

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Hey, I was just reminded of another type of key today.  One my co-workers had her keys on the table and on the ring was strung a standard house key type that looked as if it had been enameled with red and yellow flames over the entire surface.  It reminded me of having seen similar items at Home Depot where they make keys for you.  I had the thought that you could use the enameled design to reinforce whatever you were using the key as a charm for...
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