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Author Topic: Chinese Gov. Tells Living Buddhas to Seek Permission to Reincarnate  (Read 4664 times)
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« Topic Start: August 09, 2007, 02:58:08 am »

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate:

"Tibet’s living Buddhas have been banned from reincarnation without permission from China’s atheist leaders. The ban is included in new rules intended to assert Beijing’s authority over Tibet’s restive and deeply Buddhist people. ...For the first time China has given the Government the power to ensure that no new living Buddha can be identified, sounding a possible death knell to a mystical system that dates back at least as far as the 12th century."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2194682.ece

That's just shocking.
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« Reply #1: August 09, 2007, 03:36:25 am »

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2194682.ece[/url]

So, what, they're supposed to write a request for reincarnation within 6 weeks after dying in triplicate? I think it's incredibly presumptuous to think any worldly government has any say over this, and I doubt the people of Tibet would feel very differently.

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« Reply #2: August 09, 2007, 04:53:48 am »



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« Reply #3: August 09, 2007, 05:19:45 am »

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate:

*raises eyebrow*

And if they don't get permission would they come back to haunt the government leaders?  This brings weirdness to whole knew levels.
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« Reply #4: August 09, 2007, 07:18:51 am »


And they're going to follow this after ignoring every OTHER attempt to screw with their religion .. why?

too weird.

Also?  makes me want to find out the procedure and have EVERYONE apply. Wink
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« Reply #5: August 09, 2007, 07:55:16 am »

And they're going to follow this after ignoring every OTHER attempt to screw with their religion .. why?

too weird.

Also?  makes me want to find out the procedure and have EVERYONE apply. Wink

Some of the commenters are pointing out that the present dalai lama has official permission (at least at one time) to be the dalai lama.  the problem here is is that it is also a political post with great authoritiy to the Tibetans, and that worries the Chinese.
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« Reply #6: August 09, 2007, 08:07:50 am »

So, what, they're supposed to write a request for reincarnation within 6 weeks after dying in triplicate? I think it's incredibly presumptuous to think any worldly government has any say over this, and I doubt the people of Tibet would feel very differently.

It sounds like what China is actually going to ban is the search for and training of the reincarnated living Buddha.  Quite frankly, this is another reason trade with China should be banned by the Western world -- without regard for how many amoral megacorps would be hurt.
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It sounds like what China is actually going to ban is the search for and training of the reincarnated living Buddha.  Quite frankly, this is another reason trade with China should be banned by the Western world -- without regard for how many amoral megacorps would be hurt.

I thought they already had banned the search for and training of all the Tibetan Llama posts.  Didn't they disappear the Panchen Llama when he was a little kid?
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« Reply #8: August 09, 2007, 12:02:28 pm »

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate:

This is one of the most bizarre things I’ve read in a while.
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« Reply #9: August 09, 2007, 01:57:24 pm »

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate:





This is appalling! How the h*** is one supposed to ask to be reincarnated. The Tibetans are a really strong people, I wonder why they would take this one when they haven't taken any other "enforcements". And how are they supposed to search for the Llama when they disappear?

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« Reply #10: August 09, 2007, 06:46:45 pm »

It sounds like what China is actually going to ban is the search for and training of the reincarnated living Buddha.  Quite frankly, this is another reason trade with China should be banned by the Western world -- without regard for how many amoral megacorps would be hurt.

I'd have to agree. They'll reincarnate, permission or no; however, they won't be allowed to be *recognized* or *trained* without permission. I wonder what His Holiness has to say about this.
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« Reply #11: August 09, 2007, 08:11:21 pm »

I thought they already had banned the search for and training of all the Tibetan Llama posts.  Didn't they disappear the Panchen Llama when he was a little kid?

There's more information on that in the article.
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« Reply #12: August 09, 2007, 11:51:41 pm »

Tibet’s living Buddhas have been banned from reincarnation without permission from China’s atheist leaders.

 Huh Ok, just how do they plan to enforce this? What happens when a Buddha does reincarnate without government permission? And how will the government know?  This is beyond absurd!
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« Reply #13: August 10, 2007, 11:31:55 am »

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate:

"Tibet’s living Buddhas have been banned from reincarnation without permission from China’s atheist leaders. The ban is included in new rules intended to assert Beijing’s authority over Tibet’s restive and deeply Buddhist people. ...For the first time China has given the Government the power to ensure that no new living Buddha can be identified, sounding a possible death knell to a mystical system that dates back at least as far as the 12th century."

And how are they going to reinforce THAT?!

Frankly, it wont work!  Cheesy

Now as to the search for and recognition of future incarnations, they may cause a problem, but I bet it wont be successful.  The Tibetans are a strong bunch, and they have strong beliefs.  Heck, he may just come back with all the knowledge he needs intact!

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« Reply #14: August 10, 2007, 02:21:19 pm »

China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate:
That's just shocking.

Reminds me of the short story Saving for a Sunny Day, by Ian Watson.


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