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« Reply #15: August 13, 2007, 08:16:05 pm »



What got me was the release form the mother had signed. It acknowledges that injuries and even fatalities could result from activities at the camp--and SHE SIGNED IT.
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« Reply #16: August 13, 2007, 08:48:04 pm »

Would a teen boot camp be considered child abuse?  And if coupled with religious indoctrination would it be considered brainwashing?

I would consider it so, definitely. In both cases!!

Although, I could see how properly run these "boot camps" might not always be abusive. They are rarely run properly.
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« Reply #17: August 13, 2007, 08:49:34 pm »

What got me was the release form the mother had signed. It acknowledges that injuries and even fatalities could result from activities at the camp--and SHE SIGNED IT.

I'm sure she was thinking of things like swimming accidents, and not killer punishments.  I hope.
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« Reply #18: August 13, 2007, 08:52:11 pm »

I'm sure she was thinking of things like swimming accidents, and not killer punishments.  I hope.

Perhaps. But I'm thinking of the releases I sign for my daughter, when she attends camps and such. Nothing in there about "fatalities." Injuries, sure. That just struck me as really--wrong.
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« Reply #19: August 13, 2007, 10:01:18 pm »

Perhaps. But I'm thinking of the releases I sign for my daughter, when she attends camps and such. Nothing in there about "fatalities." Injuries, sure. That just struck me as really--wrong.


I don't have kids, so I can't speak as a parent, but I can tell you there is no way in hell I would sign something like that nor send my kid there if it was on a release.

(I have to wonder, though, how much something like that would hold up in court. I imagine not too well when it was made obvious it wasn't from an accident.)
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« Reply #20: August 13, 2007, 10:32:33 pm »

I don't have kids, so I can't speak as a parent, but I can tell you there is no way in hell I would sign something like that nor send my kid there if it was on a release.

(I have to wonder, though, how much something like that would hold up in court. I imagine not too well when it was made obvious it wasn't from an accident.)

Generally, a release would not hold up in court if it could be demonstrated that there was negligence (e.g., failure to properly maintain equiment or properly supervise kids) or criminal activity (e.g., assault and battery such as this girl experienced).  The releases only cover actual accidents, where everyone is doing everything right and someone still gets hurt.  Happens in gymnastics training programs all the time, f'ex.

Of course, state laws differ widely, so YMMV.
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« Reply #21: August 13, 2007, 11:28:52 pm »

Generally, a release would not hold up in court if it could be demonstrated that there was negligence (e.g., failure to properly maintain equiment or properly supervise kids) or criminal activity (e.g., assault and battery such as this girl experienced).  The releases only cover actual accidents, where everyone is doing everything right and someone still gets hurt.  Happens in gymnastics training programs all the time, f'ex.

Of course, state laws differ widely, so YMMV.

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That's what I was thinking, though not nearly so well put. Smiley
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« Reply #22: August 14, 2007, 04:12:46 am »

Boot camp workers charged with dragging girl
2 men, including director, allegedly punished girl for running too slow

BANQUETE, Texas - Authorities charged the director of a Christian boot camp and an employee with dragging a 15-year-old girl behind a van after she fell behind the group during a morning run.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20230517/

*sporfle*

That's just sick. I've hated these "kid boot camps" since first hearing about them years ago, and this...makes me want to throw up. Hence the *sporfle*.
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« Reply #23: August 14, 2007, 09:11:49 am »

Perhaps. But I'm thinking of the releases I sign for my daughter, when she attends camps and such. Nothing in there about "fatalities." Injuries, sure. That just struck me as really--wrong.


I think mine covers anything that can go wrong.  but again, they mean if everyone is doing everything right and safely and they pretty much expect a lawsuit to clear it up if there is a fatality or serious injury involved.
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« Reply #24: August 26, 2007, 11:51:43 am »

I think mine covers anything that can go wrong.  but again, they mean if everyone is doing everything right and safely and they pretty much expect a lawsuit to clear it up if there is a fatality or serious injury involved.

The ones for boy scout and girls scout camps were quite clear that they were to cover accidents when everything was done right and shit still happens - not to cover abuse or negligence. 
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« Reply #25: August 27, 2007, 06:08:17 pm »

If people like the ones who run these boot camps ever got control of the world, I would fear greatly for the future of humanity (not that I don't now). I've read and heard horror stories from people who survived those camps, including one or two that, like the victim, fell behind the group on a run. I hope both the director and employee get a stiff sentence - doesn't have to be an "eye for an eye" type of thing, I just hope they don't get off lightly.   
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« Reply #26: September 09, 2007, 02:41:40 pm »

I remember reading something about fundies sending kids that they think are gay to places like these and a large number of them end up committing suicide.  Would that be the same for kids who just don't believe in Christianity as well?

There was a cute and silly movie, But I'm a Cheerleader (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0179116/) about an ex-gay camp. Very silly. Features RuPaul as an ex-gay counselor.

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« Reply #27: September 09, 2007, 03:00:08 pm »


Ya, that movie was created as a spoof of ex-gay camps. I love that movie though, so hilarious and the fact that there is really nothing ex about any of them makes it that much funnier.
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« Reply #28: September 09, 2007, 03:03:15 pm »

Ya, that movie was created as a spoof of ex-gay camps. I love that movie though, so hilarious and the fact that there is really nothing ex about any of them makes it that much funnier.

It had its moments.  I wish that the film had dwelled less on stereotypes however.  I quite liked the moment with the straight female who just happened to seem like a butch lesbian.  The film needed more stuff like that, in my opinion.
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« Reply #29: September 09, 2007, 03:06:58 pm »


I dunno, I think that was what made it so funny was that it was so ridiculous, and the way it archived that was through using the stereotypes. I mean, look at the camp itself it was unreal, very fake looking, so thus using stereotypes really highlights this.
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