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« Reply #30: August 18, 2007, 10:54:45 am »

Tell me about it, I've just come back from the library, and it's pititful... Sad  Loads of stuff on the Celts in general, because of where we live, but not a lot of anything else...  Picked up a couple of books in Welsh too, which may be more helpful, especially Y Mabinogion and local folklore etc.  I just hope my Welsh is still up to scratch! Roll Eyes

Problem is, the continental celtic legends and stories are lost, no monks in the 7th century to write them down. Only thing is, when you take a very close look at the legends and fairy tales somethings shimmer through. And my personal feeling is, though there are surely things in the believes and ways to look at the world, that are similar, the folklore of the British Islands does not fit well with the continental celtic goods and spirits. But that is of course just UPG and it might is a way for you to connect, doesn't work for me though.
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« Reply #31: August 18, 2007, 11:31:45 am »

Problem is, the continental celtic legends and stories are lost, no monks in the 7th century to write them down. Only thing is, when you take a very close look at the legends and fairy tales somethings shimmer through. And my personal feeling is, though there are surely things in the believes and ways to look at the world, that are similar, the folklore of the British Islands does not fit well with the continental celtic goods and spirits. But that is of course just UPG and it might is a way for you to connect, doesn't work for me though.

There's me connecting the continental and British Celtic stories together, I barely considered the fact that they could actually be very different...  D'oh to me!

I've always liked the Mabinogion so I do hope that re-reading the stories will let something shimmer through.

There seemed to be a few more "factual" books, the wheel of the year and things like that, so I shall borrow those next.

Apparently Belisama has been compared to Brighid, possibly just a different name (no real proof that I've seen yet, just speculation), but the stories related to the two are very similar, as are Their associations with fire, water, forging, poetry etc.  So I think I shall have to read a lot about Brighid too and see if it "feels" right.  Not sure if that's the correct way to go about it or not, but it seems like my options are pretty limited at the moment!

I have family in Cardiff, so next time I go there I'll have to see if they have a better library!

At least this all gives me something to concentrate and work on Smiley
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« Reply #32: August 18, 2007, 12:46:36 pm »

Does anyone have any tips on finding which God/Goddess you are destined to worship, if any?
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I guess what I'm asking is does anyone have any suggestions on who to call, or at least how to find out?  There are so many Gods and Goddesses, I just don't know where to start!  I suppose it would help if I knew exactly which path I was going down...  I feel somewhat drawn to Wicca.  I also feel a strong need to heal.
Just kind of giving my thoughts on the original topic, since it's something in the back of my head these days.

IMO, you don't *need* a specific god or goddess to follow. One of the great things about being Pagan is the generally plasticity and personability (yes, I just made that word up. Shh! lol.) of much of it.

If following a particular deity is something that is important to you personally, I think the best place to start is simply do a ton of research, on all the pantheons and traditions that you can. Research pantheons or whatnot that you feel drawn to, but also things that you have not yet considered. The more information you expose yourself too, the greater chance that something will *click.*

I also believe that, to a certain extent, a personal deity will show itself to you. Backed by knowledge, you will be better able to discern what your path should be.
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« Reply #33: August 19, 2007, 04:58:25 am »

Just kind of giving my thoughts on the original topic, since it's something in the back of my head these days.

IMO, you don't *need* a specific god or goddess to follow. One of the great things about being Pagan is the generally plasticity and personability (yes, I just made that word up. Shh! lol.) of much of it.

If following a particular deity is something that is important to you personally, I think the best place to start is simply do a ton of research, on all the pantheons and traditions that you can. Research pantheons or whatnot that you feel drawn to, but also things that you have not yet considered. The more information you expose yourself too, the greater chance that something will *click.*

I also believe that, to a certain extent, a personal deity will show itself to you. Backed by knowledge, you will be better able to discern what your path should be.

Thank you, it is important to me personally, I'm not sure why, I think it is a focus, if that makes sense? 

Although I think I have found Her, I intend to research as much as possible.  It looks like this is going to be difficult, but then maybe that's not a bad thing.  I did say I wanted focus!

I also do intend to research things I haven't thought of too. 

I don't do any rituals or anything yet, I feel I need to clear my head and work out exactly where I am going first, despite having been sure for several years that this is the path I want to follow.

Hehehe, making up words is good Wink

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« Reply #34: August 19, 2007, 06:15:16 am »

Although I think I have found Her, I intend to research as much as possible. 

Here's what I found about her (don't know how acurate it is in a scientific sense):

Belisama ('radiant') another name for the celtic goddess that Cesar called 'Minerva'.
Minerva at Aqua Sulis was the Goddess Sul (and might be connected (or even equals) with Brigit), on the continent she might have been Rigani (due to some inscription they found.)

Since 'Minerva' was widespread they seem to think her a kind of 'pan'celtic Goddess with principles that called on everybody in the society (healer, artist, mother.)

What I think is, that Belisama seems to be a title (like many godsnames), so you 'just' have to find out which Goddess is meant. So good luck.

Took me years to find out who my Lady was. I even mistook her for Hekate for quite a time. Luckily neither of them took offence.
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« Reply #35: August 19, 2007, 08:44:50 am »

Belisama ('radiant') another name for the celtic goddess that Cesar called 'Minerva'.
Took me years to find out who my Lady was. I even mistook her for Hekate for quite a time. Luckily neither of them took offence.

Indeed  Undecided

Probably because it was a sincere mistake, and you were trying to find out the correct goddess.  If you were perfect after all, YOU would be the goddess.   Wink

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« Reply #36: August 20, 2007, 10:33:37 am »

Does anyone have any tips on finding which God/Goddess you are destined to worship, if any?

I guess what I'm asking is does anyone have any suggestions on who to call, or at least how to find out?  There are so many Gods and Goddesses, I just don't know where to start!  I suppose it would help if I knew exactly which path I was going down...  I feel somewhat drawn to Wicca.  I also feel a strong need to heal.  But I don't know if the former is because that is what I already know more about and if the latter is because I just feel a need to help others; or whether they are really the paths I am drawn to!

While I’m of the mind that I don’t need a deity to be able to do my Craft or to complete my religious base, I do understand the drive to find an accepting deity. One of the first things most of us comes into contact with in Pagan religions, and we all know that Wicca is the most ‘out there’, is the Triple Goddess and the Horned God. Founding out that we are free to choose different deities is a bit of a shock. At least, it was to me.

I have recently opened a dialogue, if you wish to call it, with Hecate. Yes, I do know there are other ways to spell it but that’s what comes out of my fingers. I did have an interesting experience with the pronunciation of Her name about a month ago. I was reading a short passage on a webpage about Hecate and I was mentally saying “Heck-at”, which was how that name had been presented to me by teachers. But something in me quite insistently shoved the pronunciation of “Heck-uh-tea” at me and despite being horrible with names it stuck. I like to think that She was just telling me the correct way to say Her name.

But I would like to say that as for “finding a path” that you will find that many of us have just made our own. You may find a rough definition for your path in what traditions that already exist but I think you will mostly be striking out on your own. I know, frightening thought isn’t it?
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« Reply #37: August 20, 2007, 04:51:01 pm »

While I’m of the mind that I don’t need a deity to be able to do my Craft or to complete my religious base, I do understand the drive to find an accepting deity. One of the first things most of us comes into contact with in Pagan religions, and we all know that Wicca is the most ‘out there’, is the Triple Goddess and the Horned God. Founding out that we are free to choose different deities is a bit of a shock. At least, it was to me.

I have recently opened a dialogue, if you wish to call it, with Hecate. Yes, I do know there are other ways to spell it but that’s what comes out of my fingers. I did have an interesting experience with the pronunciation of Her name about a month ago. I was reading a short passage on a webpage about Hecate and I was mentally saying “Heck-at”, which was how that name had been presented to me by teachers. But something in me quite insistently shoved the pronunciation of “Heck-uh-tea” at me and despite being horrible with names it stuck. I like to think that She was just telling me the correct way to say Her name.

But I would like to say that as for “finding a path” that you will find that many of us have just made our own. You may find a rough definition for your path in what traditions that already exist but I think you will mostly be striking out on your own. I know, frightening thought isn’t it?

That's really interesting, because although I have seen how to pronounce Belisama's name it feels a bit odd, but at the moment I don't see any other way of saying it than how I've seen!

Maybe I'm too much of a control freak, I sometimes (mostly) need someone to tell me where to go, but I think I've found the path, I just need someone to hold my hand along the way.  It is frightening.  But then that's not necessarily a bad thing, you have to overcome fears to achieve any form of success in life, in my opinion.

As a side note, I always assumed Hecate was pronounced "heck-eight", and I simply couldn't see it pronounced any other way!  It's funny, isn't it, how we have possibly preconceived ideas, which conflict either with what is right, what others conceive or what our deeper feelings say?  I love it.  I love knowing that there is always something to learn!  (By the way, I am so going with your "Heck-uh-tea" now!)
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« Reply #38: August 20, 2007, 10:49:48 pm »

That's really interesting, because although I have seen how to pronounce Belisama's name it feels a bit odd, but at the moment I don't see any other way of saying it than how I've seen!

Same with Dionysos; I keep trying to say it and it always feels so weird saying it. Like I'm missing something. It always sounds so much better in my head.  Undecided

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Maybe I'm too much of a control freak, I sometimes (mostly) need someone to tell me where to go, but I think I've found the path, I just need someone to hold my hand along the way.  It is frightening.  But then that's not necessarily a bad thing, you have to overcome fears to achieve any form of success in life, in my opinion.

Same with me.. again. I guess its more than I'm so overwhelmed and I have LOTS of indecisiveness. I'm going "Which way do I go? Ooh.. what about that way? No.. maybe that way. Hmm. A little help here? D:"

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.. Am I the only one who always said it as "Heck-ah-tee?"  Cheesy
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« Reply #39: August 21, 2007, 12:02:43 am »

.. Am I the only one who always said it as "Heck-ah-tee?"  Cheesy

Er... Heck-uh-tay over here.  *blush*   Smiley
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« Reply #40: August 21, 2007, 12:06:07 am »

.. Am I the only one who always said it as "Heck-ah-tee?"  Cheesy

I always say it Heck-ah-tee; though occasionally I say Hec-kate.

I've always thought the right way for Dionysus was Die-on-I-Sus.
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« Reply #41: August 21, 2007, 09:36:19 am »

As a side note, I always assumed Hecate was pronounced "heck-eight", and I simply couldn't see it pronounced any other way!  It's funny, isn't it, how we have possibly preconceived ideas, which conflict either with what is right, what others conceive or what our deeper feelings say?  I love it.  I love knowing that there is always something to learn!  (By the way, I am so going with your "Heck-uh-tea" now!)

Actually, it depends on how you break the word apart. If I were to break it just once in the center like “hec-ate”, then it would make sense for it to be pronounced “hec-eight”. However, if I broke it up twice like “hec-a-te”, then it would make sense for it to be pronounced “heck-uh-tea” or “heck-uh-tee” or some such. I have found references where the second example might be closer to what the Greek originally called Hecate. [shrug]
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« Reply #42: August 21, 2007, 01:50:07 pm »

.. Am I the only one who always said it as "Heck-ah-tee?"  Cheesy

I say it that way. 

It's always a bit of a giggle going to a group ritual and seeing how many different ways the same names can be pronounced.  Not that I'm necessarily getting it right either!
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« Reply #43: August 21, 2007, 01:57:15 pm »

Er... Heck-uh-tay over here.  *blush*   Smiley

Hi! Welcome to The Cauldron. No reason to blush. Feel free to speak up.

It's always a bit of a giggle going to a group ritual and seeing how many different ways the same names can be pronounced.  Not that I'm necessarily getting it right either!

I suppose there is going to be lots of ways to say a god/goddess ‘s name floating around here! I’m seeing some differences in how we use the ‘a’ in Hecate; on whether we say a long or short sound. It’s interesting.
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« Reply #44: August 21, 2007, 02:37:10 pm »

I suppose there is going to be lots of ways to say a god/goddess ‘s name floating around here! I’m seeing some differences in how we use the ‘a’ in Hecate; on whether we say a long or short sound. It’s interesting.

I say Heck ah tay and Di O nee see us LOL

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