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« Topic Start: August 21, 2007, 03:57:37 am »

Hi all!

I very recently stumbled apon a form of divination that I had not known about before.  Lithomancy, the art divination using stones.  I actually first heard about it this weekend from me new favorite book Witchcraft for Tomorrow.

Now I am gonna come right out and say it.  I think I suck at divination.  I guess you could say I just don't 'get' it.  My mother on the other hand is pretty darn good, which rather telling of how different people can go in different directions because we both started our study of paganism/wicca at the same time.  She took to the divination side straight away, where as I was more attracted to the spells and magickal workings part.

But going back to divination, I have tried runes and find I am far more attracted to their magickal qualities then divination meanings.  I have a set of tarot cards that is very special to me simply because it was a 21sy birthday present from my late father.  It is a Feary Wicca Tarot deck that I fell in love with when I first saw it, but sadly I find then very hard to actually work with and to be honest I just don't think tarot is my thing either.  But this weekend when I read about lithomancy I felt my self drawn to the idea, whether it is because that is the form of divination best for me or just because I would like something to work for me I don't know.  But I figured I'd give it a try.

Sadly though I have no real information on it and the few searches I have come up with haven't given much detail on how to use it.  I understand the main concept, different stones relate to different astrological plants and also different aspects of live, love, luck, news, magick, ummm, I forget the others... and you would predict depending oh how the stones would fall.  I hope I am understanding it right.

Sooo, sorry my rambling, what I would like to know basically is if anyone has any kind of information or resources on this type of divination? have any of you used it personally and how has it worked out for you? Are there any books devoted to the subject that I might be able to get a hold of? 

Any replies would be greatly welcome, thank you.

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« Reply #1: August 21, 2007, 11:39:06 am »


Sooo, sorry my rambling, what I would like to know basically is if anyone has any kind of information or resources on this type of divination? have any of you used it personally and how has it worked out for you? Are there any books devoted to the subject that I might be able to get a hold of? 

Any replies would be greatly welcome, thank you.

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There is a section in Scott Cunningham's book, Crystal Stone and Metal Magic  that details how to make a stone tarot, and other ways to use stones for divination. I don't do anything that structured with them, for divination, but I have often asked the stones I am working with what they think or if they have any advice for me, and I have never been steered wrong by them yet. There have been several instances where a rock that I have picked up as I am walking has had something to say to me, and I have been very glad for the help, every time. They are straight shooters, rocks are  Smiley I guess speaking with them is a particular type of divinatory gift, and it sounds like it is the one that calls you. How cool!
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« Reply #2: August 21, 2007, 01:41:26 pm »

Any replies would be greatly welcome, thank you.

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I have a book that matches your description. I frankly dont know how good the book is, as I have it but never have managed to amass the collection of stones in order to try it as of yet.  Maybe others can tell you if the book is worth buying or not.

It is Crystal Decoder by Sue Lilly

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« Reply #3: August 21, 2007, 02:49:04 pm »

Hi all!

I very recently stumbled apon a form of divination that I had not known about before.  Lithomancy, the art divination using stones.  I actually first heard about it this weekend from me new favorite book Witchcraft for Tomorrow.

I really wish ShadowCat would chime in on this one. What you're describing as "lithomancy" sounds to me like what she calls "geomancy"...
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« Reply #4: August 21, 2007, 03:52:30 pm »

I really wish ShadowCat would chime in on this one. What you're describing as "lithomancy" sounds to me like what she calls "geomancy"...

Actually, I don't think it does.  What Shadowcat does can be done with a single stone, or a button.  What j9 is talking about seems to involve several different kinds of stone, with meaning dependent on kind and position, rather than number patterns.

I'm not sure why, but I was expecting 'lithomancy' to have something to do with printing blocks. Smiley

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« Reply #5: August 21, 2007, 06:56:01 pm »

I really wish ShadowCat would chime in on this one. What you're describing as "lithomancy" sounds to me like what she calls "geomancy"...

I don't think so...I saw someone demonstrate geomancy at a workshop a while back, and it was quite complicated and mainly had to do with interpreting where on a chart a certain number of tokens fell, IIRC.
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« Reply #6: August 21, 2007, 09:21:27 pm »


You know, with my obsession of collection stones from everywhere, I would want to do this too.

But no. I get stuck with bones. BONES.

I live in the middle of a prarie suburbia. Angry There ain't no bones here!
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« Reply #7: August 21, 2007, 09:32:19 pm »

You know, with my obsession of collection stones from everywhere, I would want to do this too.

But no. I get stuck with bones. BONES.

I live in the middle of a prarie suburbia. Angry There ain't no bones here!

I guess you could collect chicken bones, fish bones, turkey bones, and bones from different cuts of beef   Cheesy

Around here, there is like an animal graveyard or something, because my dogs bring home deer jawbones, turtle shells, all sorts of stuff.  They carried a deer leg bone around for quite a while, before they chewed it up.  I know what it was, because they took it off of the deer that was killed by a car and was laying across the street.   Cheesy  If you were here, you could feel free to take all you wanted! They might have a few dog teeth marks tho  Wink

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« Reply #8: August 21, 2007, 10:00:33 pm »

I guess you could collect chicken bones, fish bones, turkey bones, and bones from different cuts of beef   Cheesy

Around here, there is like an animal graveyard or something, because my dogs bring home deer jawbones, turtle shells, all sorts of stuff.  They carried a deer leg bone around for quite a while, before they chewed it up.  I know what it was, because they took it off of the deer that was killed by a car and was laying across the street.   Cheesy  If you were here, you could feel free to take all you wanted! They might have a few dog teeth marks tho  Wink

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Hehe, thanks Gina. Smiley
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« Reply #9: August 21, 2007, 10:57:12 pm »

You know, with my obsession of collection stones from everywhere, I would want to do this too.

But no. I get stuck with bones. BONES.

I live in the middle of a prarie suburbia. Angry There ain't no bones here!

sure there are...at the butcher shop   Smiley
The lady who was demonstrating shamanic bone divination at Pantheacon said that is where she got them. You have to boil them and bleach them though. Bones are really cool! Be glad and proud of your bone thing, why not? My son found a wonderful deer femur a while back when we were hiking in Tomales Bay. You never know when you are going to find cool stuff, if you just put it out there that you want to, you likely will.
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« Reply #10: August 21, 2007, 11:32:35 pm »

sure there are...at the butcher shop   Smiley
The lady who was demonstrating shamanic bone divination at Pantheacon said that is where she got them. You have to boil them and bleach them though. Bones are really cool! Be glad and proud of your bone thing, why not? My son found a wonderful deer femur a while back when we were hiking in Tomales Bay. You never know when you are going to find cool stuff, if you just put it out there that you want to, you likely will.

Hmm. Thanks for the idea! Do you remember her name or anything, or if she has a website?

I'm certainly very proud. It's just very irritating. Cheesy
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« Reply #11: August 22, 2007, 12:40:54 am »

I'm not sure why, but I was expecting 'lithomancy' to have something to do with printing blocks. Smiley
I know why:  lithography.

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« Reply #12: August 22, 2007, 12:51:50 am »

Lithomancy, the art divination using stones.... <snip>

Sooo, sorry my rambling, what I would like to know basically is if anyone has any kind of information or resources on this type of divination? have any of you used it personally and how has it worked out for you? Are there any books devoted to the subject that I might be able to get a hold of?
Pretty much any system of divination using stones could be called "lithomancy"; I suspect there are many such systems (of varying ages, from centuries old to invented last week).  You could try developing your own, following your gut to determine what you want the details to be.  It might not work all that well, or then again it might - and if it does, you'd certainly have found a form of divination that clicks for you.

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« Reply #13: August 22, 2007, 02:14:03 am »

Pretty much any system of divination using stones could be called "lithomancy"; I suspect there are many such systems (of varying ages, from centuries old to invented last week).

Yes, you are quiet right there seem to be many different form and adaptions.  The one I am interested in most at the moment is the traditional forum.  I wish I had my book here so I could quote the bit that it does say about it, but I left it at home to let my mom have a chance to look at it.  I did find more or less the same discription (if a little vague) in Wikipedia though:

"In the traditional method 13 stones are used. Seven stones represent the ancient astrological signs: the Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. The remaining six stones represent the home, life, love, health, luck, magic, and news."

It goes on to say that some more modern forms use 3 extra stones to represent Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto for a total of 16 stones, but for now I'll just stick to the most traditional version and take it from there. 

There was a link provided though with some good information in it, at least I find it good for giving me ideas at least.

http://www.garywimmer.com/psychic/index.html

Thanks for all the replies!

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Ack!

I just double checked the wikipedia definition and realized they made a pretty obvious mistake, they have given 7 different personal stones and not 6 - that will teach me I guess - sorry, I'll double check the book and give the right ones asap.

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« Reply #14: August 22, 2007, 06:04:22 am »

Yes, you are quiet right there seem to be many different form and adaptions.  The one I am interested in most at the moment is the traditional forum.
What I'm questioning is the idea of "the traditional form".  It's not a divination form I know much of anything specific about, but it seems to me that the use of stones would be so obvious and convenient that systems would be likely to develop completely independently, with nothing in common at all other than the use of stones, or with any commonalities being purely coincidental.  So the question arises, traditional to whom?

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