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« Reply #15: August 24, 2007, 10:19:31 am »

None of the above.  Ok, I don't really believe in magic anymore.  But when I did, I tended to view it as breaking the rules, and transgressing against the natural cause of events.  That is, things happen in a certain way.  There are normal ways of influencing ongoing events.  Magic I see as something that circumvents that, in a way that I think might be fundamentally impossible to describe.

I don't believe in magic anymore, of course, but I still tend to work with a vague theory like that when I use it in fiction.

I can see why you would think that.
What made you stop believing, or did you just *stop*?
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« Reply #16: August 24, 2007, 10:24:33 am »

I know this thread's already been done, but it's really long and hasn't been posted in for a while, and I want to be more specific anyway: is magic a force (like gravity), a wave (like light), or is magic simply phenomena of all types that science hasn't explained yet?

For me magic is not the ‘out there’. The ‘out there’ is nature and the universe and life. ‘Out there’ is the thing. Magic to me is using your will to shift the energies around you to do what you want whether you are doing a spell, trying to scry or doing divination. Magic is the ‘doing’, not the ‘out there’. The magic is you who is doing the ‘doing.’ Follow me?

I also don’t see working with herbs as magic. That is medicine. Unless you are actively using your will to push energy into a potion or what-have-you then the collecting, preparing, and use of herbal ‘stuff’ is medicine and thus a part of science.
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« Reply #17: August 24, 2007, 10:28:37 am »

For me magic is not the ‘out there’. The ‘out there’ is nature and the universe and life. ‘Out there’ is the thing. Magic to me is using your will to shift the energies around you to do what you want whether you are doing a spell, trying to scry or doing divination. Magic is the ‘doing’, not the ‘out there’. The magic is you who is doing the ‘doing.’ Follow me?
XD sort of.
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« Reply #18: August 24, 2007, 11:39:03 am »

I know this thread's already been done, but it's really long and hasn't been posted in for a while, and I want to be more specific anyway: is magic a force (like gravity), a wave (like light), or is magic simply phenomena of all types that science hasn't explained yet?

All of the above....and more.

I guess my question would be "What isn't magic?" To me everything is magic. The world, the beings in it, space, the elements, the organization of the universe, human thought, it's just is so amazing that it all exists.
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« Reply #19: August 24, 2007, 01:29:25 pm »

All of the above....and more.

I guess my question would be "What isn't magic?" To me everything is magic. The world, the beings in it, space, the elements, the organization of the universe, human thought, it's just is so amazing that it all exists.

That's a beautiful way to look at it, but for me, I want magic to be *more* if it's everything we already know, what's left to be more interesting. To me, magic adds extra purpose, meaning, and potential to everything. If magic is everything, it almost seems as if magic is also nothing. It's like, if everything was special, everything would be ordinary. Do you see what I mean?
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« Reply #20: August 24, 2007, 02:52:13 pm »

For me magic is not the ‘out there’. The ‘out there’ is nature and the universe and life. ‘Out there’ is the thing. Magic to me is using your will to shift the energies around you to do what you want whether you are doing a spell, trying to scry or doing divination. Magic is the ‘doing’, not the ‘out there’. The magic is you who is doing the ‘doing.’ Follow me?

Well, I follow you fine, but that's cause I was hoping someone would post something here that I could just me too.

Me too.
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« Reply #21: August 24, 2007, 03:03:05 pm »

Well, I follow you fine, but that's cause I was hoping someone would post something here that I could just me too.

Me too.

It’s high praise to get a “me too” from you. Thanks!  Smiley

That's a beautiful way to look at it, but for me, I want magic to be *more* if it's everything we already know, what's left to be more interesting. To me, magic adds extra purpose, meaning, and potential to everything. If magic is everything, it almost seems as if magic is also nothing. It's like, if everything was special, everything would be ordinary. Do you see what I mean?

I get what you mean. You want magic to be something special, something that only the elite can do or use. But for many on this list magic is an everyday thing, something interwoven in their lives. For them, it is ordinary.
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« Reply #22: August 24, 2007, 03:15:28 pm »

is magic a force (like gravity), a wave (like light), or is magic simply phenomena of all types that science hasn't explained yet?

I'm not trying to be dismissive (really--I practice magic myself), but I just don't care.  Seriously.

Magic for me is a sort of fuzzy thinking.  As a realist (which I generally am), I really need to shut off my logical brain to practice magic.  Excessive analysis leads to the obvious (to me, anyway) conclusion that I'm a delusional goofball.  I don't need or want anything to explain magic.  It's like beach sand...the tighter I try to hold it, the more it slips through my fingers.

I think it's because magic requires so much focus (on the object of our desires, on energy manipulation, grounding, etc.) that it seems natural to try to figure out the mechanics behind it.  I consider this to be both impractical and detrimental to the practice of magic.  <shrug>  YMMV.

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« Reply #23: August 24, 2007, 03:38:31 pm »

I can see why you would think that.
What made you stop believing, or did you just *stop*?

I stood back and reassessed my life - I've had to, as I've failed so many of my own expectations.  At the end of the day, I decided that I didn't really believe, and that I'd spent too long trying to convince myself that I did believe.  It's a weight off my shoulders. Smiley
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« Reply #24: August 24, 2007, 04:10:18 pm »

That's a beautiful way to look at it, but for me, I want magic to be *more* if it's everything we already know, what's left to be more interesting. To me, magic adds extra purpose, meaning, and potential to everything. If magic is everything, it almost seems as if magic is also nothing. It's like, if everything was special, everything would be ordinary. Do you see what I mean?

Like a lot of other skills I've learned over the years, magic improves my life.  So did learning to cook, knit, garden, write...

I think being who we are adds purpose, meaning, and potential to everything.  We're unique not because we practice magic, but because everyone is unique.

Magic is the least displayable/provable talent I have.  I'm not sure I'm even particularly talented at it, actually.  My more tangible talents generate more interest than magic ever has or will.  Trust me, getting praise for a tangible talent is much more satisfying than feeling "special" because of magic.

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« Reply #25: August 24, 2007, 04:16:53 pm »

For me magic is not the ‘out there’. The ‘out there’ is nature and the universe and life. ‘Out there’ is the thing. Magic to me is using your will to shift the energies around you to do what you want whether you are doing a spell, trying to scry or doing divination. Magic is the ‘doing’, not the ‘out there’. The magic is you who is doing the ‘doing.’ Follow me?

I also don’t see working with herbs as magic. That is medicine. Unless you are actively using your will to push energy into a potion or what-have-you then the collecting, preparing, and use of herbal ‘stuff’ is medicine and thus a part of science.

I've always believed in magic.  I've used it all my life and it's worked for me.  My method has always been similar to "wishcraft".  I have never used circles or anything other than "true intent" (it can't be a passing fancy, I have to really want whatever it is).  It's worked that way for me since I was a small girl, so that's how I've always done it.
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« Reply #26: August 24, 2007, 04:47:22 pm »

Magic for me is a sort of fuzzy thinking.  As a realist (which I generally am), I really need to shut off my logical brain to practice magic.  Excessive analysis leads to the obvious (to me, anyway) conclusion that I'm a delusional goofball.  I don't need or want anything to explain magic.  It's like beach sand...the tighter I try to hold it, the more it slips through my fingers.
lol. I feel this exact way about several occult-related things!

But in a nutshell, I feel as though magic is energy. I feel as though everything is energy, and the amazing energy within molecules (hi, the atomic bomb!) creates magical dimensions. I feel as though it is the molecular structure that creates the different properties of herbs, stones, etc. There is also energy that is not necessarily connected to matter, and it is (some of) this energy that we manipulate during magic. Brains are crazy things, and I believe that there is something in our brains (and the brains of other creatures, perhaps) that allows us to bridge the gap between physically associated energy and "other" energy.

Meh. Some superficial thoughts on the subject.
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« Reply #27: August 24, 2007, 07:48:05 pm »

That's a beautiful way to look at it, but for me, I want magic to be *more* if it's everything we already know, what's left to be more interesting. To me, magic adds extra purpose, meaning, and potential to everything. If magic is everything, it almost seems as if magic is also nothing. It's like, if everything was special, everything would be ordinary. Do you see what I mean?

Yes, I do.  But I believe things are only concidered ordinary because we take them for granted. Ever try to experience the world through a child's eyes?  That is what I try to do. I don't want to lose the magical feel the Earth, my home, has always had for me.

My friends and family are quite used to me calling for them to come and look at the big yellow full moon, or to come see a weird bug pull the carcass of a spider accross the lawn, or to have me (much to their embarrassment) pick up an unusual rock in a parking lot. Needless to say I made quite a big deal out of this year's meteor showers. I think I got this attitude from my mom who nearly died as a child. She really appreciated her life in this world.

However, there is still plenty of mystery in the world too, that is another part of it's magic.
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