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« Reply #15: September 09, 2007, 09:23:46 am »

But of course all of this is just my opinion, and being the cynical, horrible person I am, you probably don't like it, though I don't mind discussing really. Smiley

Actually, I semi-agree with you. I do not agree that human life does not matter, that is not the reason. Humans, while tiny specks in comparison to the vastness of all that is, are still Divine. Think about it: Humans BUILT those ruins; their lives, are imprinted on history, imprinted on our minds, imprinted on the stones on which they worked, on the very ground on which they walked. Insignificant? I think not. True, a long enough time will obliterate all of that, but in their time, and even now, they are great.

However, the reason for my agreeing with you, is that I don't fear death. Death doesn't even make me sad, really. (It used to but not anymore). I see death as merely a transition...a passage to the next phase of eternal life. I see death as something to be celebrated, not mourned. (And before anyone jumps down my throat about this, I do recognize and understand the pain of having a loved one pass on, especially before their time). I want my funeral to be a big-ass party! Grin
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« Reply #16: September 09, 2007, 10:32:48 am »

I want my funeral to be a big-ass party! Grin

I totally want my funeral to be an epic kegger. Only problem is I wouldn't be able to attend. D:


But also, sure, humans are significant to other humans within a certain time frame. But to any life or forces off of Earth, or even too far in the future, humans are entirely insignificant. And even being divine doesn't mean you're particularly important to the entirety of time.
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« Reply #17: September 09, 2007, 10:49:43 am »

But also, sure, humans are significant to other humans within a certain time frame. But to any life or forces off of Earth, or even too far in the future, humans are entirely insignificant. And even being divine doesn't mean you're particularly important to the entirety of time.

Point taken, but what makes the ruins any more significant than the humans?  I thought, though I may have misunderstood, the original point was that the ruins were important and the humans weren't.
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« Reply #18: September 09, 2007, 11:31:23 am »

But also, sure, humans are significant to other humans within a certain time frame. But to any life or forces off of Earth, or even too far in the future, humans are entirely insignificant. And even being divine doesn't mean you're particularly important to the entirety of time.

Exactly. And neither are any other races or species or even planets. *starts humming "Dust in the Wind"*

Point taken, but what makes the ruins any more significant than the humans?  I thought, though I may have misunderstood, the original point was that the ruins were important and the humans weren't.

My thoughts exactly. The ruins are more *permanent* than humans, but they are still just tiny specks in the grand scheme of things.
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« Reply #19: September 12, 2007, 12:22:03 am »

Point taken, but what makes the ruins any more significant than the humans?  I thought, though I may have misunderstood, the original point was that the ruins were important and the humans weren't.

Yes, but my point is, in the insignificance of humanity, these ruins can possibly end up making us more significant with teaching.

And I never said the humans weren't important, I just said I held the small amount as less important, comparatively. 
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« Reply #20: September 12, 2007, 02:54:07 am »

Yes, but my point is, in the insignificance of humanity, these ruins can possibly end up making us more significant with teaching.

How will those old buildings make us more significant?  We'll always be insignificant.  One day the human race will die out, and those buildings, if they remain, will have no significance at all.  Eventually even our planet will be gone.
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« Reply #21: September 12, 2007, 07:10:33 am »

How will those old buildings make us more significant?  We'll always be insignificant.  One day the human race will die out, and those buildings, if they remain, will have no significance at all.  Eventually even our planet will be gone.

You have such an optimistic outlook.

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« Reply #22: September 12, 2007, 07:20:11 am »


It's kind of like the poem "Ozymandias", where the person has faded from memory and the works are crumbling and fading. I mean hundreds of years from now, how do we know even our celebrities are remembered, even our relics could be misconstrued, I mean look at Stonehenge.
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« Reply #23: September 12, 2007, 07:59:46 am »

Yes, but my point is, in the insignificance of humanity, these ruins can possibly end up making us more significant with teaching.

If what the ruins teach us is to be inhuman towards each other, I don't want to learn what they offer.
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« Reply #24: September 12, 2007, 08:25:50 am »

You have such an optimistic outlook.

Eventually, the whole universe will be gone. And long before it is truly gone, it looks like our little galaxy will be all that we can see -- the expansion of the universe have pushed everything else out of that part of the universe that we can actually observe. Of course, long before that the sun will have swallowed up the Earth when it hits its red giant phase.
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« Reply #25: September 12, 2007, 10:05:22 am »

Yes, but my point is, in the insignificance of humanity, these ruins can possibly end up making us more significant with teaching.

How's that?
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« Reply #26: September 12, 2007, 10:32:18 am »

Yes, but my point is, in the insignificance of humanity, these ruins can possibly end up making us more significant with teaching.

How's that?

I think Kazer may be trying to get across the point of the “weight of history” and how without a past we may have no truly worthy future.
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« Reply #27: September 12, 2007, 10:51:17 am »

I think Kazer may be trying to get across the point of the “weight of history” and how without a past we may have no truly worthy future.


He was talking in terms of significance to things like time and the universe.  I certainly appreciate the point that the past is important, but what you're saying sounds totally different from what he's saying, to me.  Perhaps I'm just not understanding, though.

Besides that, the destruction of the buildings does not equate to the destuction of the past...  I'm sure there are things that would be lost if the buildings were destroyed, true, but it's not like if they're gone what we've learned from them so far is obliterated.  The buildings themselves might not still exist, but our knowledge and records of them would.

And if we go back to people vs buildings, we certainly also have no future without the present.  (Though of course the death of those people doesn't equate to the death of the present either.)

All of which isn't to say the buildings aren't important, either.  Just that I think the human lives need a little more consideration in the equation, that the buildings aren't necessarily the most important thing.
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« Reply #28: September 12, 2007, 12:45:46 pm »

Eventually, the whole universe will be gone. And long before it is truly gone, it looks like our little galaxy will be all that we can see -- the expansion of the universe have pushed everything else out of that part of the universe that we can actually observe. Of course, long before that the sun will have swallowed up the Earth when it hits its red giant phase.

<checks watch>

I still have time for a bowl of ice cream, right?

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« Reply #29: September 12, 2007, 01:23:21 pm »

It's kind of like the poem "Ozymandias", where the person has faded from memory and the works are crumbling and fading.

"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair" 

And meanwhile, those works were swallowed up in the sands of time, yet the humans, mighty and otherwise, just keep trucking along.  That sonnet lessened my attachment to physical monuments considerably.

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