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« Topic Start: March 14, 2007, 04:19:27 pm »

Unsurprisingly, Quantum Mechanics has raised its head in the Free Will thread running in Philosophy and Metaphysics at the moment. The way it's being applied leads me to ask; are there any particular areas of science, or scientific theorums, that underpin your personal spiritual/religious/philosophic beliefs?

I imagine that this might include theorums that you rely on these beliefs to integrate into your world view or it might be ones that you use to support your beliefs; ones that make your beliefs seem reasonable to you.

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« Reply #1: March 14, 2007, 06:13:12 pm »

Unsurprisingly, Quantum Mechanics has raised its head in the Free Will thread running in Philosophy and Metaphysics at the moment.

Well, this is The Cauldron. LOL.

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The way it's being applied leads me to ask; are there any particular areas of science, or scientific theorums, that underpin your personal spiritual/religious/philosophic beliefs?

I expect different things of science than I do of religion. In somewhat simplified terms, I look to science to explain how reality works and religion to explain things like the purpose of reality and life. The how things vs the why things.
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« Reply #2: March 15, 2007, 11:29:14 am »

When dealing with magick and science, you tread on a very grey area of pseudo science. I don't think we need science to "prove" that occult phenomena is real, but we definitely need it to understand how the world works, as a starting place.  Science can only explain things so far.  I think, however, that it is possible that as far as we advance in science, the further we can (as in have the potential to) advance in the mysteries of the occult.
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« Reply #3: March 16, 2007, 08:33:39 am »

are there any particular areas of science, or scientific theorums, that underpin your personal spiritual/religious/philosophic beliefs?

For me, science and religion cross-pollinate regularly; while they are two very different ways of modeling reality, that doesn't mean that they're unrelated. Science (and, increasingly, math) is a constant inspiration in the spiritual work I do.

Some science/math concepts that underpin my beliefs:
--The theory of entropy
--The concept that our reality is the product of the interaction of space, time, and thought (and the related idea that by the act of observing, the observer affects what is being observed)
--The Gaia hypothesis
--The concept that the complex organic molecules from which life got its start, plus much of the Earth's water, were delivered by cometary impacts)
--Current knowledge of stellar lifecycles
--The logarithmic constant e
--The idea that matter and energy are constantly changing form...

Lots more, but those are some of them.
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« Reply #4: March 16, 2007, 11:16:03 am »

are there any particular areas of science, or scientific theorums, that underpin your personal spiritual/religious/philosophic beliefs?

I would say the biggest one for me is that matter is simply energy moving at a very low frequency.  I came across this statement in my high school physics book back in 1989.  It surprised me at that time as I had already developed the understanding that energy is real and was learning to work with it.  My understanding of the perception of metaphysical concepts by society at that time was one of, at best, skepticism.  At worst, outright hostility.  To see this statement printed in a high school physics book was revolutionary to my thinking at that point.  From then on, there was no doubt in my mind as to the validity of what I was experiencing. 

Beyond that, Deepak Chopra has some very interesting explanations that bridge the concepts of quantum mechanics, belief/attitude and health.  The books he writes akin to the titles of "X steps to Y" are projects requested by his publisher.  The thicker, longhead books are projects of his own choosing.  Those are the ones with the really intersting explanations.  If anyone wants more information on where to look let me know, I'll ask my wife who has some of his books.
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« Reply #5: January 25, 2009, 04:45:09 pm »

For me, science and religion cross-pollinate regularly; while they are two very different ways of modeling reality, that doesn't mean that they're unrelated. Science (and, increasingly, math) is a constant inspiration in the spiritual work I do.


I tend to find the same thing from my own perspective. Do you think it's important for religion to explain (or at least not contradict) science?

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Some science/math concepts that underpin my beliefs:
--The theory of entropy
--The concept that our reality is the product of the interaction of space, time, and thought (and the related idea that by the act of observing, the observer affects what is being observed)
--The Gaia hypothesis
--The concept that the complex organic molecules from which life got its start, plus much of the Earth's water, were delivered by cometary impacts)
--Current knowledge of stellar lifecycles
--The logarithmic constant e
--The idea that matter and energy are constantly changing form...

Gaia and entropy have grabbed my attention previously, but I have no idea of the interesting properties of e (at least not the mathematic constant Smiley). I'd be interested to hear what you have to share.  I'd be interested in science-based references on the interplay of thought with space and time (or spacetime for that matter) if there are any deent references that you can suggest.
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« Reply #6: January 25, 2009, 10:41:41 pm »

I have no idea of the interesting properties of e (at least not the mathematic constant Smiley). I'd be interested to hear what you have to share.

e is second only to pi in its mathematical ubiquity. Like pi, it's a transcendental number (its digits continue without end and without a repeating pattern). It pops up in nature all over the place; for example, the spiral of a nautilus shell (which is often mistakenly ascribed to the golden ratio, phi). And along with pi, e is part of what's considered the most beautiful, elegant equation in all of mathematics, Euler's Identity.

Wikipedia has good entries on e (not to be confused with Einstein's E, for energy), transcendental numbers, and Euler's Identity.

As it happens, I'm currently reading a book titled "e: The Story of a Number," by Eli Maor. Frankly, most of the math is above my haven't-touched-it-since-high-school head, but it's still an interesting (and challenging) read.

For me, pi symbolizes the divine, and e symbolizes the divine manifesting itself materially.


I'd be interested in science-based references on the interplay of thought with space and time (or spacetime for that matter) if there are any deent references that you can suggest.

I can't at the moment. This concept is most prevalent in quantum mechanics, but I only know it in its broadest terms.
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