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« Reply #15: September 08, 2007, 12:31:53 am »


I look forward to answering your questions. Smiley  Please give me a day or two so I can consult with the facilitators of the areas that you asked about!  I will return on Monday!

Blessed be!

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PS Thanks for the welcome dears!

Thanks for sharing your experience, I am wondering if there is some sort of trial lesson for the site to see if it's something I'd be interested in...  Also is there any way to read the forums without being enrolled, just to see the general atmosphere.

Also, the site says there is a "one time enrollment fee" but also "per degree," charge of $25, can you clarify?  Does this mean that there is a charge to elevate to second and third degrees as well, or is this just something for additional courses/"degrees" offered by the site, such as Reiki training?

Thanks.

ALSO, regarding this thread in general:

I checked out WitchSchool (there is indeed a 3-day trial but limited course selection)...  I signed up for a Tarot course, which seemed like a massive "wall of text" and the multiple choice tests were not available for me to try at the time.  The forums didn't seem very active from what I saw.

I am going to check out some of the other free trials on the other sites and will keep checking the thread.
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« Reply #17: September 11, 2007, 12:54:28 pm »

Thanks for sharing your experience, I am wondering if there is some sort of trial lesson for the site to see if it's something I'd be interested in...  Also is there any way to read the forums without being enrolled, just to see the general atmosphere.

Also, the site says there is a "one time enrollment fee" but also "per degree," charge of $25, can you clarify?  Does this mean that there is a charge to elevate to second and third degrees as well, or is this just something for additional courses/"degrees" offered by the site, such as Reiki training?


Merry meet!

We don't have trial lessons although this is something we are considering for the future.  The forums are restricted to students only due to privacy issues, but you can access a link to the calendar from the Workingwitches.com website to get an idea of times and types of events within the College.

The "one-time enrollment fee" is to cover administration costs to set you up in the College.  We treat each student as an individual and have procedures set up so we can see how they are coming with their studies and their participation in the groups.  And yes, there is also a "entrance fee" if you want to call it, for each new degree you decide to pursue.  This covers the same administration costs to set you up in your corresponding degree.

The Herbal and the Reiki course are independent, stand-alone classes and are available to anyone who is interested.  You do not have to be a student of Sacred Mists to take these classes and they have their own individual costing.  Lady Raven does regularly run special prices for these classes, so check the website often.

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« Reply #18: September 11, 2007, 01:14:10 pm »

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Can I ask what Second degree means, broadly, in the system you're working in? I ask because I'm a 2nd degree in the tradition I work in, working toward my 3rd degree (and expecting that will likely happen in the next 3-6 months.)For us (as is true for a number of other traditions) 2nd degree is partly a process of dealing with one's own shadow self, and partly a process of becoming more aware of and interacting in the broader Pagan community.

The first one presents some of the same challenges as energy work. The latter is a common criticism of online schools - that people who come out of them often seem to have a painful hard time interacting with other Pagans outside of the school. They may use terminology or words in different ways (and forget that may be true), they sometimes aren't aware of broad trends in the larger community.

Can I ask whether these two things are part of your degree work? (And if not, is there a general outline of what is?) Are you encouraged to interact more broadly with other parts of the community? Is there support given for learning to navigate that, as you move from being a student to being a priestess and teacher (implications of the third degree).

In addition, in a number of degree systems, specialisation is part of the upper degree work: focusing on skills or interests of particular types. Is that true for you? If, as you say, many people in Sacred Mists are not near a local physical community, how does this work? (Particularly if someone in the existing Sacred Mists community doesn't have the same interests).


It is true that in the Sacred Mists Tradition we follow similiar Wiccan guidelines for degrees.  Let me see if this is helpful in explaining, taken (in part) from the Sacred Mists Degree System of Spiritual Attainment.  "A Dedicant is a person who has decided to dedicate themselves to learning more about the Craft.  The only requirement for being a Dedicant is the desire to learn. Upon entering Sacred Mists College, you will become a First Degree Dedicant."  "First Degree is considered to be the most important step in the Craft. Most groups see this as your birth into the Craft.  Like the Maiden, everything is new to the First Degree. Learning about the world around her as well as herself. Study tends to cover a lot, but only superficially as the First Degree is testing things for the first time."  "While the First Degree is learning about external forces, the Second Degree turns inwards. Coming to terms with death and rebirth, obtaining and maintaining a balance between thought and emotion, letting go of guilt and grief as well as helping repair the earth and to teach others at their request. Like the Mother, the Second Degree is learning to balance her own life with that of one learning from her. It is at this time that study is taken to a serious, but still fun level. The topics of study from the First Degree is deepened." "The Third Degree now turns from looking within herself to, once more, the world around her, this time with new and learned eyes. The decision to live spiritually, protect the earth, and pass on wisdom is essential to the Third Degree. Like the Crone, the Third Degree now becomes the teacher. Still a student as the Crone looks to her future and contemplates the mysteries of what wait for her. The Third Degree now watches the world with a new attitude. At this point the Third Degree is responsible for the spirituality of others, whether to lead a group or to continue being a teacher."  It goes further into explaining Adept and Elder status, as well as High Priest/Priestess, but I believe this is what you were asking about.

Being an internet community we may see "community" differently than others do.  The definition of community works for those who live in areas where they can openly speak and act as a Wiccan, but in cases such as in the Bible Belt, this is not always possible.  We are eclectic enough to be able to encourage our students to work either/or in their local community or the World Community.  For us, either is appropriate.

I will leave the more in-depth answers regarding mentoring and teaching to those who are personally involved.  I have shared this thread with my sisters and brothers on the Student Council and hope to see them post here soon. Smiley

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« Reply #19: September 11, 2007, 02:10:43 pm »

I also am a student attending The College of The Sacred Mists. I'm just now finishing up my 2nd degree final and looking forward to entrance into the 3rd degree. I am a member of Student Council along with Shauni Waterdragon. Shauni had done an exceptional job of explaining some of what Sacred Mists is all about. All I can offer to what she has said is my personal experience with this on-line Wiccan College.

I joined Sacred Mists in May of 2004 and have not regretted a single moment of my time here.
Sacred Mists has become my second home filled with wonderful people from all over the world that are loving, compassionate and supportive. I am a second degree student and have been here for over 3 years now. The Mists are truly a Magickal place were I have grown both spiritually and personally. I have learned so very much in my time here about the craft and about myself. Lady Raven Moonshadow is a truly beautiful person who provides the best classes, teachers, experiences and love. The Herbalist and Reiki Courses are awesome and I look forward to taking many more extension classes while I work on my studies within the College. If you have ever thought of studying Wicca online, you could not find a more well rounded and exemplary College!
I started as a student that had studied primarily on my own for approx. 10 years prior to looking elsewhere for further education. Once in the Mists I started with the basics and worked myself up to teaching within the school. I've learned a great deal in many areas such as healing, divination and performing ritual for all students be it Sabbats, Esbats, healing or spirit communication, you name it, Sacred Mists has it. Our mentor program is there to assist each new student from the moment they sign up all the way through their degrees if they so wish. Our divination department is 2nd to none. These divinators truly amaze me with their talent and gifts. Live seminars with Janet Farrar & Gavin Bone give way to even more in depth learning with both students & non-students.
A great many people hesitate to try on-line schools because of the monthly fee but I can honestly say the $20. I pay each month is very well worth everything I get. It's very hard to tell people everything that your monthly fee allows you to do. There is just so much available!
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Okay, it's good that you're happy there and don't mind the fees, but could you address Jennet's questions?  I too do not understand how online courses can teach and test certain very physical and practical aspects of magical work with any reliability and would be interested to learn how your school handles it.

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« Reply #21: September 11, 2007, 02:38:01 pm »

It goes further into explaining Adept and Elder status, as well as High Priest/Priestess, but I believe this is what you were asking about.

It's helpful, but it doesn't cover everything I'm curious about. I also asked what kinds of ways it is determined you're doing this work. While I'm certainly interested in hearing from the people who focus on teaching, I'm also interested in hearing from you about what your assignments have done for you, and how you feel they've worked (and again, in general, what they've involved).

(I can return the favor, if you're curious, though it's complex enough to explain I generally don't go into it unless someone asks.)

And again, still interested in how skills, knowledge, and internal experiences are evaluated and worked with. I'm definitely interested in a teaching approach, but I'm also interested in a student one.

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Being an internet community we may see "community" differently than others do.  The definition of community works for those who live in areas where they can openly speak and act as a Wiccan, but in cases such as in the Bible Belt, this is not always possible.  We are eclectic enough to be able to encourage our students to work either/or in their local community or the World Community.  For us, either is appropriate.

I understand that you're looking at different ideas of community - but there are some things that run true in multiple settings.

For example, a number of online forums have run into issues with people where their only experience of the broader Pagan community is one of the online schools. This can lead to some real frustration, even solely online. To make it easier to understand, let me give some examples, calling this type of person "Raven" to have something to call them.

Sometimes, Raven shows up, discovers that people don't all use words (like Witch, Wiccan, Pagan) the same way, and insists that they change (or that everyone else is wrong.) Or Raven insists that all Pagans are earth-centered. Other times, Raven insists that everyone does ritual the same way (casting circle, for example).

As you can see, that can get messy.

In places with a local Pagan community, it's quite common for part of 2nd or 3rd degree training to require some broader community interaction (leading a public ritual, attending other public events, assisting in cross-path projects like Pagan Pride Day planning, attending a festival or two so they know what they're like, etc.)

Online, the approach is possible - but a lot of the online schools don't seem to teach it. For example, does Sacred Mists make it clear what the difference is between what they teach, and other options and approaches out there? Do they encourage you to learn a little about other paths (whether online or offline?)

Are you encouraged to spend time in other online Pagan forums, or is it left solely up to individual interest? Is any information or guidance provided to help you feel more comfortable doing that exploration?

In my group, I think I'm the only person who's active in online Pagan discussions. However, when it comes up in conversation or teaching, I do make a point of saying "Different forums have different approaches/guidelines/ways they use words. Here's some general guidelines that help (lurk and read for a while, read the introductory info carefully for an idea of how they approach things, follow standard civil netiquette. Ask me questions if you want more help.")

I have regularly paralleled these to the things we teach about visiting someone else's physical ritual ("Here's the stuff you should ask before going, here's options if you feel uncomfortable, here's places you may want to try first and why.")

If I were teaching people who were solely online, I'd flip how much time I spent on physical settings vs. online - but I'd still include both of them, because you never know when someone might move, opportunities might be available locally, or they might start exploring online.

Basically: Does Sacred Mists provide information on either or both of these - the stuff that helps people visit other groups (virtual or physical) more comfortable - and more courteously?
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« Reply #22: September 11, 2007, 03:27:12 pm »

It's helpful, but it doesn't cover everything I'm curious about. I also asked what kinds of ways it is determined you're doing this work. While I'm certainly interested in hearing from the people who focus on teaching, I'm also interested in hearing from you about what your assignments have done for you, and how you feel they've worked (and again, in general, what they've involved).

Basically: Does Sacred Mists provide information on either or both of these - the stuff that helps people visit other groups (virtual or physical) more comfortable - and more courteously?

Ok, I guess it is difficult for me to be more specific because we have actually worked very hard for the last five years to come up with a comprehensive program and are proprietory about it.  I hope you understand.  It may also be that I am not being clear because you are coming from your understanding about teaching and I am coming from mine.

Sacred Mists is eclectic.  We teach and learn about all different paths, ours and everyone elses.  Sacred Mists covers every possible aspect of Wiccan Education (or will in the future, as needs arise we address them) including Ritual Etiquette for use in public or private.  We are not the type of College that teaches only one way of doing things.  In fact, we encourage our students to write and teach their own extension courses as part of their training.  Because we are international, we are exposed to many different styles of language, ideas and teaching.  We have a Taoist on the Student Council and several Druids within Sacred Mists.

For me personally, what have my lessons and projects taught me?  Self-empowerment, most of all.  Freedom to love myself.  Understanding that everything is connected.  Confidence in my daily life.  Power to create my own reality.  Ability to heal others and myself.  Appreciation for the workings of the Universe.  A connection to all living beings.  Faith in the future.  Loss of fear.  Peace and prosperity.  Value in myself and others.  A way of Being.  Is that helpful?

I hope I have answered your questions, but if not, I invite you to join us at Sacred Mists and see for yourself.  There is no long-term commitment and if you don't feel at home, then you can depart with no further obligation.  Even a short time in Sacred Mists will yield something of value, that I can promise.

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« Reply #23: September 11, 2007, 04:20:16 pm »

Ok, I guess it is difficult for me to be more specific because we have actually worked very hard for the last five years to come up with a comprehensive program and are proprietory about it.

My background is in an oathbound tradition, I understand not sharing specifics, but most people (even in oathbound trads) are generally happy to share general practices. I'll give you an example (these are of necessity, brief, feel free to ask for more details if you're curious and I'll gladly share what I can.)

My pre-initiation training involved classes twice a month (2 lectures, plus a lab/practical session: totaling about 10 hours of class time) covering about 8-12 pages of formal lecture notes each lecture, as well as a "try it out, get feedback" practical session for ritual construction (each step of the circle casting) and various hands-on aspects (divination, a herb walk, making incense, etc.) A little of everything - some theory, some practice. Lots of direct feedback and questions. Classes are team-taught by interested initiates, working from standard notes (so we make sure we cover the same material)

We had 'traditional' assignments: written reports on deities the group commonly works with, meditation and creation of an art project relating to each one, and other written exercises. We had reading assignments from 3 books, plus reading 2 more during the year on our own time.

We were expected to keep a personal journal. We also had some specific personal-exploration questions (about communication styles, habits, assumptions, ways we relate to people) to answer each month, and some regular divination exercises using multiple methods.

We have a daily practice expectation: about 5-20 minutes most days during that first year. They include visualisation (using varied senses), grounding, centering, shielding, balancing, ritual circle steps, the LBRP, etc. to give a varied range of experience and options. The goal here is to help us develop a stable and useful personal practice, but also to understand how the group's ritual methods work.

That was my first degree. Our upper level degrees are more varied (because people tend to specialise in a particular direction.) However, we are expected to continue keeping notes of our experiences and understandings, and we have regular initiate-only discussion nights covering more advanced material. (we average two nights a month.)

As an initiate, I began taking on teaching of our Seeker (introductory classes). Our initiates also rotate writing moon rituals (and collaborate for Sabbats).

As a 2nd degree, I was the primary teacher for our Dedicant classes in 2006, and also helped with a range of our rituals, and a few rituals in the broader community. A focus on the group is part of our expectations for 2nd degree, as well as intensive personal work (which mostly manifests in a lot of stuff I do on my own, a tremendous amount of journalling, and periodic conversations with my HPS and HP about the results: however, I've always been aware they could ask me a question about what I'm doing at any time.)

We view, as I'd mentioned, the 3rd degree as a larger community role: I'm developing my skills with the intention of hiving and forming my own daughter group in the tradition. I designed the skills I wanted to have, based on certain group expectations: we are expected to have written a number of rituals, to have assisted in public rituals, to have developed and taught classes at various levels of training, and to be able to take on any ritual role in our tradition's method at short notice.

We're also expected to have all of our personal stuff together so that we aren't risking our own livelihood and well-being to help others. (Part of the reason I don't have my 3rd yet is that I wanted to complete my graduate work before getting my 3rd: it has a significant bearing on my future practical stability. I finished a month ago. My ex-husband and I separated right before I got my 2nd degree: this is rather predictable, in hindsight, but it's also taken me some time to work through related issues, and be sure of my emotional balance after a wide range of emotional and practical life changes.)

We're also expected to be aware of and somehow participate in the broader Pagan community in a way that contributes to it. Teaching and operating a small group would count, but my personal time has been spent on a variety of online Pagan forums (here, but not just here) doing what I can to help answer questions or provide information. I I've also been Programming Chair for my local Pagan Pride in 2006 and 2007, taught a few classes outside my group, helped in a range of public rituals, and written a number of online articles people have found useful.

Do I think these are the One True Requirements? No. But I do know there are some common threads that are true across many traditions and communities, and that if (for example), I were not required to do some kind of broader community service (and be able to discuss it), I could expect people to ask me why, and how that worked for us. Ditto on teaching. (Not everyone is a natural teacher, but if you're aiming at leading or running a group, it's a fair question to ask how you intend to train new members. If someone doesn't mean to do that as a 3rd, what does it mean to them?)

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Sacred Mists is eclectic.  We teach and learn about all different paths, ours and everyone elses.

I'm curious how you can teach much about paths you don't practice. (Do you mean a general overview? Where do you get materials from? Do you arrange for conversations with people on those paths?) My exposure has tended to be more casual - interaction with people online, going to some public rituals in my community, hanging out and talking to them in the midst of other events.

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Sacred Mists covers every possible aspect of Wiccan Education (or will in the future, as needs arise we address them) including Ritual Etiquette for use in public or private.

Every possible? Invocation/Drawing Down/Aspecting? Fetch work? Appropriate methods of designing ritual for 3 people, 10 people, 20 people, or 100 people? Different degree systems, methods, and teaching approaches? Initiatory mystery work? Shared astral work? Every possible magical technique that might be relevant?

My point in saying this isn't to say "We do all of that." But rather that I don't think any span of a few years *can* cover all of that in sufficient detail. Many of the above are a part of my path, or things I have some experience with - but I wouldn't claim I've covered every possible aspect of them yet. (Well , for one thing, I have extensive experience in one particular tradition, which precludes extensive wide-ranging experiences in other traditions. No matter how much I might be willing, there's only so many rituals I can attend in one day or one week: I do recognise I get different experiences as a result, though.)

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Thank you for the offer - but I thought I'd made it clear I do in fact have a religious home I'm quite happy with. (And more than that, I'm working on building a new one, as I approach hiving off on my own.)

While I do believe that most places can offer something of value, I've got a number of places already on my list for whatever free time I have. If I want to talk to people from a range of different traditions online, I'd much rather do it here (which is free, and which is not solely - or even heavily, these days - Wiccan) than somewhere more tightly focused (though I read some lists that are Wiccan focused, too.) I spend regular time with people in other witchcraft traditions in my physical life: for the topics I'm currently interested in, the ability to have occasional practical discussions/demonstrations is a big win.

I hope my examples have given you some further food for thought as well.
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« Reply #24: September 11, 2007, 04:59:48 pm »

Merry Meet All ~

I wanted to address some of Jenett's questions as they are very valuable regarding the pedagogy of online education. Online education and online environments are the wave of the future in just about every instutition that offers a curriculum! I am blessed to teach in both the online environment of Sacred Mists and a local university. While it is challenging to not have the nuances of body language and oral communication, it inspires creative thinking and strong written communication!

Full disclosure: I am also a student of Sacred Mists, working (perpetually!) on my 3rd degree. I am a member of the student council as well as facilitator of the first  degree study hall curriculum. I grade first degree homework and am the coordinator of 2nd degree participation in esbats.
I also lead a handful of extension classes that go deeper into some of the first degree topics and areas of 
special interest. I have been a student, facilitator and  and leader within the Sacred Mists community for going on 5 years now. I share my dossier to clarify that much of my feedback here is experience based within the Sacred Mists community rather than other wiccan and spiritual training.

In Sacred Mists, a majority of the first degree curriculum is theoretical and the homework “tests” the knowledge of theory. However, what I look for beyond knowledge of the theory is comprehension and interpretation. This can be determined by the depth and complexity of the homework answers. I won’t accept answers that are only a few words long or answers that parrot the lesson text. None of the homework is multiple choice. As we get further into the first degree curriculum there are exercises and writing assignments to assess skill development. As a grader, I have to go by perfect trust in the student’s willingness to share their experiences with me in the homework assignment. True, I cannot be physically present to assess skills, but I can ask probing questions or ask for elaboration and clarification to determine how the student is progressing. Part of the training process is the ability to verbally express one’s self in writing. This method enhances the critical thinking process and invites the student to assess the work from both an academic and experiential perspective.

Our online format also offers the opportunity to communicate with other students about problems they may be having in analyzing theory or issues with their skill development. This creates a dynamic feedback environment as well as providing some much needed tea and sympathy at times!

As you mentioned, you like words - me too! And also have run up against the same challenges in teaching courses that typically require more sensory involvement.  Teaching online I personally feel requires a deeper base, a wider platform of theory, before we can move on to some of the more practical work. For example, I teach a chakra class within Sacred Mists.  I have a background as a yoga teacher so I can draw from this experience in transferring it to an online environment. In an in person class, I can demonstrate certain asanas for chakra release or energetic techniques without much theory or background. In an online class, I first have to assign homework that goes more deeply into the theory before we are ready to move to the experiential. We often do the experiential work in a chat so that we can share what comes up for us.

Regarding the Sacred Mists 2nd degree: Second degree in most traditions can be likened to the path of Water, where the attention begins to turn away from theory and knowledge to flow within toward experience and wisdom. Much of the 2nd degree within Sacred Mists applies theory to experience. There are more exercises and an introduction of more sophisticated levels of magickal practice. A stronger emphasis is placed on divination and intuition especially as it applies to the seeker herself. By the beginning of 2nd degree, the mentor does not play as much a role in the students work as the 2nd degree path is a process of individuation. But this is a two sided coin! We actively encourage 2nd degree students to become mentors themselves and play a more integral role in ritual construction and performance within the Sacred Mists community. There is a great deal of interaction within Sacred Mists with classes, discussions, study halls rituals and other events occurring on a daily basis and 2nd degree students are encouraged to be involved with this. So there is the community side of the 2nd degree.

Now I would agree with you that an online training environment does not always encourage involvement in the broader pagan community. We have many solitaries and those who follow various paths within Sacred Mists. One does not need to adhere to the Sacred Mists tradition to study the Wiccan curriculum we offer. To initiate into the tradition is another story. Some students have come to the Mists because of tension in their local pagan communities or because of dissatisfaction with the availability of teaching in their area. And honestly there are folks who simply have a hard time not just with the pagan community but with societal interaction in general! Sacred Mists gives these students a soft place to land and a sense of belonging. We do have students who study with Sacred Mists and also study with local groups and are very active in their local pagan communities.   

Like a college student, by the end of the 2nd year you usually have a good idea of what you major is going to be! From this point on, third degree curriculum is individualized and typically not shared with the Sacred Mists community as a whole. Suffice to say if one embarks on the 3rd degree the aim is Adept or High Priest/Priestesshood.

I hope this gives some insight into the teaching philosophy of Sacred Mists. The past five years as both a student and teacher within the Sacred Mists halls have been rewarding and transformational.

I wish you all peace and many Blessings  ~MonarchWing
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« Reply #25: September 11, 2007, 06:09:15 pm »

Ok, I guess it is difficult for me to be more specific because we have actually worked very hard for the last five years to come up with a comprehensive program and are proprietory about it.  I hope you understand.

I understand that you are proprietary about it, but I don't really understand why anyone would be proprietary about how they teach a religion. I can understand not talking about oathbound parts of the religion, if any, but not how one teaches (unless one is some type of profit-oriented business whose methods of teaching are their product which makes little sense in this context).

I've been running this board for 9.5 years and have put a lot of effort into how we do things (and I've been running online forums of some type for about 20 years now), but I don't try to hide how we do things and why from those who might like to start their own forum. I've known people who run forums over the years who do, but that position makes no sense to me either.
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« Reply #26: September 11, 2007, 06:12:04 pm »

I understand that you are proprietary about it, but I don't really understand why anyone would be proprietary about how they teach a religion. I can understand not talking about oathbound parts of the religion, if any, but not how one teaches (unless one is some type of profit-oriented business whose methods of teaching are their product which makes little sense in this context).

I've been running this board for 9.5 years and have put a lot of effort into how we do things (and I've been running online forums of some type for about 20 years now), but I don't try to hide how we do things and why from those who might like to start their own forum. I've known people who run forums over the years who do, but that position makes no sense to me either.

Did the information posted by MonarchWing give a little more insight into what you are looking for?  I am sorry to be so dense, I am not sure what we are not answering clearly. Smiley  Forgive me if I don't express myself well.

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« Reply #27: September 11, 2007, 06:18:30 pm »

Did the information posted by MonarchWing give a little more insight into what you are looking for?  I am sorry to be so dense, I am not sure what we are not answering clearly. Smiley  Forgive me if I don't express myself well.

I'm not really looking for anything so much as expressing puzzlement over why online teaching methods from a group apparently not trying to rake in the profits would be considered proprietary. It's the exact some puzzled look I get when I hear that forum X wants to keep the "secrets" of running a good forum to themselves.
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« Reply #28: September 11, 2007, 06:21:58 pm »

I'm not really looking for anything so much as expressing puzzlement over why online teaching methods from a group apparently not trying to rake in the profits would be considered proprietary. It's the exact some puzzled look I get when I hear that forum X wants to keep the "secrets" of running a good forum to themselves.

Okie dokie then!  Hope this discussion has been helpful from our end and we look forward to enjoying many more excellent discussions on your forum!

Brightest Blessings,

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« Reply #29: September 11, 2007, 07:00:18 pm »

Okie dokie then!  Hope this discussion has been helpful from our end and we look forward to enjoying many more excellent discussions on your forum!

Brightest Blessings,

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THey are proprietary because they did the work of writing it up.  There is no problem with it being somewhat public, they just object to someone taking their work and posting it on their own websites as theirs.  Like when people cut and paste from one website to another.  THen don't attribute or ask permission.  Like printing out  something from $RW's books and claiming it as your own.   THat's all.

And some of the info may be oathbound or some such, then it would be proprietary too and they don't want it plastered on someone  else's website for just anyone to read.
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