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« Topic Start: September 03, 2007, 12:25:58 pm »

Hi Everyone,

Is it right to use spell work for something in the past? A woman was betrayed by an old BF who turned out to be a kiss and tell type- he justified it with his new found religious righteousness and felt that he had the right to punish her negative emotional reaction to his cruel rejection. She already was oversensitive and was attracted to the wrong type. He presented himself as a victim because he was such a nice guy, he didn't do anything wrong, etc.  Tongue

The problem is that the BF talked about personal information to others who enjoyed harming with gossip and caused the woman great harm- it had a negative effect at her job and had years of emotional and mental stress as a result. She had contemplated suicide as it affected her in the community for years (she was unable to move and lived in one of those with a nasty small town mentality).

Is there a limitation to using spells years later after the damage was done? Do people just "get off scot free" if the issue is not addressed as it is happening?

Is this more like seeking revenge or can she seek justice long after the fact if it is still negatively affecting her? If magic is used so long after, will it harm her in stead?

Any thoughts or experiences to share?

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« Reply #1: September 03, 2007, 12:31:43 pm »


I think it can be done, but you're not likely to change what happened in any way (I'm not saying that's impossible...given the nature of time but it's unlikely). What you can do, is protect her from any further harm coming from the situation.
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« Reply #2: September 03, 2007, 01:14:13 pm »

I think it can be done, but you're not likely to change what happened in any way (I'm not saying that's impossible...given the nature of time but it's unlikely). What you can do, is protect her from any further harm coming from the situation.

Hi Dania,

I agree with you- I feel that protection from any active residual negativity is probably for the best. I don't want to open the doors to any harmful results because you never can be too sure.

Thanks for your response and I'll look into protection and healing magic.

Have a good one.  Cheesy

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« Reply #3: September 03, 2007, 01:16:55 pm »

Is this more like seeking revenge or can she seek justice long after the fact if it is still negatively affecting her? If magic is used so long after, will it harm her in stead?

Is it possible?  Sure, at least in the way that I view time - more as a spiral than as a linear stream... perhaps as a spiral current that ebbs and flows in a great ocean of events... but that's for another thread...

It *is* possible but consider everything that has happened after that event that the event itself had an impact on, both physically as well as mentally/emotionally.  It gets immense quickly.  I think the more elegant solution would be to perform a working that would release her tie to this event and allow her to move on with her life with whatever lesson she can gain from the experience. 

Showing her how to protect herself, bringing a measure of control and self worth back, would also be quite helpful.
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« Reply #4: September 03, 2007, 02:49:55 pm »

Is this more like seeking revenge or can she seek justice long after the fact if it is still negatively affecting her? If magic is used so long after, will it harm her in stead?
Any thoughts or experiences to share?
Enjoy the day,

I am with everybody else, I would be more apt to do a future protection/shielding/healing spell on HER at this point.  I would work more with releasing her from the negative effects of the action.

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« Reply #5: September 03, 2007, 03:07:00 pm »

I think the more elegant solution would be to perform a working that would release her tie to this event and allow her to move on with her life with whatever lesson she can gain from the experience. 

Showing her how to protect herself, bringing a measure of control and self worth back, would also be quite helpful.

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I am with everybody else, I would be more apt to do a future protection/shielding/healing spell on HER at this point.  I would work more with releasing her from the negative effects of the action.

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Thanks Oaksworn & Gayars,

I thought that was the best and most helpful course of action. I'd rather work towards the positive and hope that there is some cosmic justice to take care of the rest.

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« Reply #6: September 03, 2007, 04:33:47 pm »



If this happened years ago, and it's still having an effect on your friend's life, she may benefit from talking to a counsellor of some description.  It clearly sounds like it had a huge impact on her life, so speaking to a professional may be something she'd find useful.
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« Reply #7: September 03, 2007, 05:16:42 pm »

I think the more elegant solution would be to perform a working that would release her tie to this event and allow her to move on with her life with whatever lesson she can gain from the experience.

I would agree with this. I have had really excellent and dramatic healing from doing unbinding and uncording rituals. There are lots of really good ones around, and it is worth doing a little research into it. I would also agree that anything that has been carried around for a long time in a restricted space (like a small town) should be dealt with in a therapeutic setting as well. Magick and a good therapist in tandem work wonders and miracles, ime.
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« Reply #8: September 03, 2007, 06:29:12 pm »

The problem is that the BF talked about personal information to others who enjoyed harming with gossip and caused the woman great harm- it had a negative effect at her job and had years of emotional and mental stress as a result. She had contemplated suicide as it affected her in the community for years (she was unable to move and lived in one of those with a nasty small town mentality).

I hate to say it, but are you sure the former BF should be the only target/main target of this spell. It sounds like the people who did most of the actual harm were the people he talked to. Yes, he shouldn't have talked, but the others are guilty of actually doing the damage.
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« Reply #9: September 03, 2007, 06:46:51 pm »

If this happened years ago, and it's still having an effect on your friend's life, she may benefit from talking to a counsellor of some description.  It clearly sounds like it had a huge impact on her life, so speaking to a professional may be something she'd find useful.

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I think the more elegant solution would be to perform a working that would release her tie to this event and allow her to move on with her life with whatever lesson she can gain from the experience.
 
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I would agree with this. I have had really excellent and dramatic healing from doing unbinding and uncording rituals. There are lots of really good ones around, and it is worth doing a little research into it. I would also agree that anything that has been carried around for a long time in a restricted space (like a small town) should be dealt with in a therapeutic setting as well. Magick and a good therapist in tandem work wonders and miracles, ime.

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I hate to say it, but are you sure the former BF should be the only target/main target of this spell. It sounds like the people who did most of the actual harm were the people he talked to. Yes, he shouldn't have talked, but the others are guilty of actually doing the damage.


Hello All,

EverFool, this is excellent advice but she is not willing to go for counseling because she has developed trust issues and would not "open up". I kind of wonder if there was more to the experience than appears on the surface. Not sure if the guy or one who helped him was practicing any craft or not. She has a history of attracting the wrong sort since- abusive types who have no respect for her feelings. I know that she is responsible for who she lets into her life, but I would like to see if an unbinding could free her from this self defeating pattern or possibly dissolve an old spell.     

Rose, thanks for recommending unbinding and uncording rituals. I am new to more formal ritual and am unfamiliar with these but I will gladly look into this.

RandallS, I totally agree, that is why I'm trying to be as careful as I can- I just would like to help her heal, if I can, and teach her how to protect herself. After so much time and so many people involved, it's hard to tell who did what.


Thank you all for your kind help. Smiley

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« Reply #10: September 03, 2007, 06:58:24 pm »

I know that she is responsible for who she lets into her life, but I would like to see if an unbinding could free her from this self defeating pattern or possibly dissolve an old spell.

I would say that if she is in a pretty high degree of denial, won't go to therapy and so on, you are probably better off just doing a simple healing ritual. If she is unaware of and uninterested in examining her own part, the unbinding/uncording won't work, b/c she will just pick up a new one somewhere else, if she is not really ready to let it go. jmhe.
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« Reply #11: September 03, 2007, 09:53:42 pm »

I would say that if she is in a pretty high degree of denial, won't go to therapy and so on, you are probably better off just doing a simple healing ritual. If she is unaware of and uninterested in examining her own part, the unbinding/uncording won't work, b/c she will just pick up a new one somewhere else, if she is not really ready to let it go. jmhe.


Hi Rose, 

I wouldn't say that she is in a high degree of denial because she admits that she should have handled things better and blames herself for the things that go wrong. She has come a long way in some respects. I was hoping that a sincere ritual would help her forgive and love herself and break the hold that this guilt and shame has. I think it might be a good way to give her permission to leave it behind and accept that she's made mistakes and that no one is perfect and without faults.

I only want to do something positive for her and accept that the choice is ultimately up to her. I appreciate everyone's replies, the different viewpoints are certainly helpful.

Shaylee  Smiley
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« Reply #12: September 03, 2007, 10:44:02 pm »

I was hoping that a sincere ritual would help her forgive and love herself and break the hold that this guilt and shame has. I think it might be a good way to give her permission to leave it behind and accept that she's made mistakes and that no one is perfect and without faults.


well in that case, the uncording might very well work. If you want, i will send it to you. Email me, if you are interested. Or if you have Christopher Penzacks "Inner Temple of Witchcraft" the basic framework of how I do it is in there.
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« Reply #13: September 03, 2007, 10:50:45 pm »

Hi Rose, 

I wouldn't say that she is in a high degree of denial because she admits that she should have handled things better and blames herself for the things that go wrong. She has come a long way in some respects.

Then, IMHO, it is definitely worth trying something.
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« Reply #14: September 04, 2007, 04:45:58 am »

EverFool, this is excellent advice but she is not willing to go for counseling because she has developed trust issues and would not "open up". I kind of wonder if there was more to the experience than appears on the surface. Not sure if the guy or one who helped him was practicing any craft or not.

Umm...do you have any reason to think magic was involved?  People can do all kinds of things to each other without the aid of magic.
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