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« Reply #15: September 05, 2007, 11:31:53 pm »

dh wants to put a raised bed there, which would probably be ok.

Depends on whether or not whatever's in the soil that's causing "the dead zone" wreaks havoc with the soil and/or plants in the raised bed. Know what I mean?
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« Reply #16: September 05, 2007, 11:37:34 pm »

Depends on whether or not whatever's in the soil that's causing "the dead zone" wreaks havoc with the soil and/or plants in the raised bed. Know what I mean?

his idea is to have them totally off the ground, so I dont think it would matter...unless it really does need an exorcism in there:)
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« Reply #17: September 06, 2007, 10:02:46 am »

his idea is to have them totally off the ground, so I dont think it would matter...unless it really does need an exorcism in there:)

Would there be some sort of barrier between the current soil and the raised bed? I ask because some plant roots are going to go deep and having a 12" raised bed may well not be enough.
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« Reply #18: September 06, 2007, 11:04:44 am »

Would there be some sort of barrier between the current soil and the raised bed? I ask because some plant roots are going to go deep and having a 12" raised bed may well not be enough.

yes, that was the plan. We have some concerns about maintaining the integrity of the fence, as well, so we may end up digging out the whole thing, and putting some barrier on the fence side of the plot.
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« Reply #19: September 06, 2007, 04:00:40 pm »

That is extremely peculiar. We have quite a few hummers around now, and I think the person who lived here before me was heavy into butterflies, so spilled something or another is not unlikely. And there have been kids with sodas running around in that yard since the turn of the century, so god knows...

While soda is sweet, it does take a more concentrated liquid sugar to kill so completely...hummingbird syrup (usually 1/4 sugar to water) is barely strong enough to temporarily kill stuff.  More of a 50/50 mix is needed for long term havoc such as you describe.
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« Reply #20: September 07, 2007, 11:12:41 am »

well, it is a narrow shallow spot, against a fence. But you know, a birdbath is a great idea. Or a gazing ball...oh boy:)

You could surround the birdbath with potted plants to create elevation, even.  Wink  You've gotten some good advice about the "whys" of your dead garden spot, so I don't have much to add there.

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« Reply #21: September 07, 2007, 05:43:07 pm »

You could surround the birdbath with potted plants to create elevation, even.  Wink  You've gotten some good advice about the "whys" of your dead garden spot, so I don't have much to add there.

Brina

this is what I was thinking too...gmta, a course:)
thanks again everyone for all your great ideas and advice
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« Reply #22: September 07, 2007, 07:24:41 pm »

well, it is a narrow shallow spot, against a fence.

A lot of plants struggle with dry shade, assuming that it is shady.

I had a lot of problems with a narrow shallow spot against a wall.  Areas right next to fences and walls are likely to be in a rain shadow.  The rest depends on whether it's in sun or shade.  With my near-dead spot I also had the roots of a vigorous climber which was hogging the sun further up the wall and also creating more shade and an even bigger rain shadow underneath.  Add heavy clay soil to the mix... The climber's still there but the underlying area but it has been improved a fair amount by mulching regularly with organic matter such as homemade compost and growing very tough plants there which can cope with dry shade. 

It could be that this area is equally awkward and it's not impossible that you'll find plants that will grow directly there, but the range will be limited. 
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« Reply #23: September 07, 2007, 07:41:36 pm »

It could be that this area is equally awkward and it's not impossible that you'll find plants that will grow directly there, but the range will be limited. 

I should have added that I also think the birdbath idea is a good one.  If the soil is really dodgy, the plants in containers are a good idea save that they'll need supplementary watering, especially if the 'rain shadow' is an issue.  But then I should imagine you'd be going over there to refill the bird bath anyway, so you can kill two birds with one stone (groan!)
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« Reply #24: September 07, 2007, 11:17:27 pm »

A lot of plants struggle with dry shade, assuming that it is shady.



no it isnt very shady, it's quite sunny, in fact it is hot there. I tried tomatoes in that spot last year, right after we moved in, and they keeled over immediately. But there is a heavy drinking climbing vine all along the fence, it may be hogging the water at that end of the row. hm.
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« Reply #25: September 08, 2007, 10:39:31 am »

no it isnt very shady, it's quite sunny, in fact it is hot there. I tried tomatoes in that spot last year, right after we moved in, and they keeled over immediately. But there is a heavy drinking climbing vine all along the fence, it may be hogging the water at that end of the row. hm.

Someone could have dumped something like paint thinner or other household type chemical there.  Many people don't want to put them down the drain, but are fine with putting them in the dirt.  If it's not water soluble, then the bird bath is the best idea.  But I agree with Lyric's first thought - take/send a sample to the local ag office.  I think all states have them, and they charge very little for a soil analysis.  They will tell you if there is anything strange (and what it is, and how to fix it) - out tax dollars at work!
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« Reply #26: September 09, 2007, 09:07:46 am »

wtf? Does my garden need an exorcism? All experience and advice appreciated.

Another one that kills everything and then some is fire ant powder. Ortho anyways.  Not only does it kill the ants, it kills the plants and wrecks the soil.  I have a spot that kills anything and everything after a major infestation last year.
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« Reply #27: September 09, 2007, 11:15:31 am »

Another one that kills everything and then some is fire ant powder. Ortho anyways.  Not only does it kill the ants, it kills the plants and wrecks the soil.  I have a spot that kills anything and everything after a major infestation last year.

your new pic is very cute, Mandi Smiley
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« Reply #28: September 13, 2007, 01:55:21 pm »

While soda is sweet, it does take a more concentrated liquid sugar to kill so completely...hummingbird syrup (usually 1/4 sugar to water) is barely strong enough to temporarily kill stuff.  More of a 50/50 mix is needed for long term havoc such as you describe.

I've actually used Coke to recondition soil that I've over fertilized and threw off the PH.  The fertilizer was high nitrogen content, making the soil too alkaline.  The acidity of the coke, and bammo!  My plants stopped making leaves that looked like tortoise shells.

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« Reply #29: September 13, 2007, 02:03:47 pm »

I've actually used Coke to recondition soil that I've over fertilized and threw off the PH.  The fertilizer was high nitrogen content, making the soil too alkaline.  The acidity of the coke, and bammo!  My plants stopped making leaves that looked like tortoise shells.

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Hey! thats what the leaves on my plants look like....wondering if I have any coke in the house....
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