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« Topic Start: September 08, 2007, 07:11:02 pm »

2,000 Years Later: Jesus Gets His Day in Court

Did Pontius Pilate commit a human rights abuse when he ordered the crucifixion of Jesus Christ more than 2,000 years ago? That is the question facing Kenya's High Court.
A case filed by a group called "Friends of Jesus" calls on the court to interpret the Law of Moses to determine whether Jesus received a fair trial for blasphemy.

http://www.rock103.com/cc-common/vv/weirdnews.html?feed_id=104673&article_id=2586489
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« Reply #1: September 08, 2007, 07:12:40 pm »

2,000 Years Later: Jesus Gets His Day in Court

Did Pontius Pilate commit a human rights abuse when he ordered the crucifixion of Jesus Christ more than 2,000 years ago? That is the question facing Kenya's High Court.
A case filed by a group called "Friends of Jesus" calls on the court to interpret the Law of Moses to determine whether Jesus received a fair trial for blasphemy.

http://www.rock103.com/cc-common/vv/weirdnews.html?feed_id=104673&article_id=2586489

You know? This is right up there with all the apologies that get issued for things that happened hundreds of years ago. The people are dead. What possible difference does it make?

Sheesh. People with way too much time on their hands.
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« Reply #2: September 08, 2007, 07:43:11 pm »

You know? This is right up there with all the apologies that get issued for things that happened hundreds of years ago. The people are dead. What possible difference does it make?

Sheesh. People with way too much time on their hands.

Actually, the answer is no, that's part of the whole point of the trial, he was executed when pilate knew he was an innocent man.

They need to read the gospels.
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« Reply #3: September 08, 2007, 08:42:48 pm »

Actually, the answer is no, that's part of the whole point of the trial, he was executed when pilate knew he was an innocent man.

They need to read the gospels.

Not trying to be a hardass here, but I don't think the gospels are going to prove a thing.
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« Reply #4: September 08, 2007, 09:24:30 pm »

They need to read the gospels.

If they did, they might find that it was, at best, a very irregular trail under Jewish and Roman law
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« Reply #5: September 08, 2007, 09:27:20 pm »

Not trying to be a hardass here, but I don't think the gospels are going to prove a thing.
Last I heard, other than a house in Turkey that bore a few letters of his name, there was no hard evidence that Pontius Pilate (or Jesus, himself for that matter) ever existed
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« Reply #6: September 08, 2007, 10:47:35 pm »

Last I heard, other than a house in Turkey that bore a few letters of his name, there was no hard evidence that Pontius Pilate (or Jesus, himself for that matter) ever existed

Little direct evidence for Jesus, but quite a bit is known about Pilate from historical records of the time. For example, he was reprimanded by the Emperor for ignoring the special religious status that had been granted to the Jews and he was eventually removed from office by the Legate of Syria (his superior) and ordered sent to Rome for trial when his mismanagement went too far. He apparently never made it to Rome or had connections to avoid a trial as there is no record of one.  He is reported to have despised the Jews which makes his behavior in the Gospels seem extremely unlikely.
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« Reply #7: September 08, 2007, 11:06:36 pm »

quite a bit is known about Pilate from historical records of the time.

I stand corrected, then
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« Reply #8: September 08, 2007, 11:42:32 pm »

2,000 Years Later: Jesus Gets His Day in Court

Did Pontius Pilate commit a human rights abuse when he ordered the crucifixion of Jesus Christ more than 2,000 years ago? That is the question facing Kenya's High Court.
A case filed by a group called "Friends of Jesus" calls on the court to interpret the Law of Moses to determine whether Jesus received a fair trial for blasphemy.

http://www.rock103.com/cc-common/vv/weirdnews.html?feed_id=104673&article_id=2586489

Was there ever such a thing as a fair trial in ancient times? 
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« Reply #9: September 09, 2007, 12:05:05 am »

Was there ever such a thing as a fair trial in ancient times? 
Well, I wasn't very old in 30 CE, so I don't remember   Wink
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« Reply #10: September 09, 2007, 08:27:24 am »

You know? This is right up there with all the apologies that get issued for things that happened hundreds of years ago. The people are dead. What possible difference does it make?

Not to mention that when the case got to Pilate, Roman law of the time would apply, not the "Law of Moses."
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« Reply #11: September 09, 2007, 09:24:08 am »

Not to mention that when the case got to Pilate, Roman law of the time would apply, not the "Law of Moses."

That was what I was thinking, unless, some conquered lands had hybrid courts, a mix of their law and Roman. But then it still wouldn't be the true Law of Moses.
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« Reply #12: September 09, 2007, 09:52:43 am »

Not trying to be a hardass here, but I don't think the gospels are going to prove a thing.

But given that the gospels ARE the evidence of what happened to Jesus, if tbey say he didn't get a fair trial, the Pilate knew he was executing an innocent man, then he was.  IIRC, Pilate was recalled for being a bad governor and seriously riling up the Jews, making Rome' work that much harder.  (Source, give me a couple days to find the book)
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« Reply #13: September 09, 2007, 11:02:20 am »

But given that the gospels ARE the evidence of what happened to Jesus, if tbey say he didn't get a fair trial, the Pilate knew he was executing an innocent man, then he was.  IIRC, Pilate was recalled for being a bad governor and seriously riling up the Jews, making Rome' work that much harder.  (Source, give me a couple days to find the book)

That's what I mean. If the gospels are going to be the "evidence", there's really not enough there to work with. Whether they talk about an unfair trial or not.
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« Reply #14: September 09, 2007, 06:02:36 pm »

That was what I was thinking, unless, some conquered lands had hybrid courts, a mix of their law and Roman. But then it still wouldn't be the true Law of Moses.

At this time it was often sort of mix. The local courts did their own thing with locals (non-Romans), but major decisions had to be confirmed by the Romans. The trial of Jesus by the Sanhedrin as reported in the Gospels would have been highly irregular according to Jewish law at the time -- for example, it should not have been meeting at night.
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