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« Reply #15: November 05, 2007, 07:49:40 am »

In the What is clergy? thread, an idea that came up a few times is the rejection of the role of "clergy as intercessor" and affirmation that we can talk to and experience the gods ourselves, without need of a "priest" of any kind.

However, traditional cultures often have a place for spiritual professionals (shamans and so forth) whose job is very much intercessory, relaying messages from the spirits and interacting with the spirits on behalf of others. In the pagan community, people often consult respected diviners for guidance and assistance in determining what course of action is likely to be most spiritually appropriate or rewarding. While an intercessor isn't seen as necessary in the Pagan community, it seems it is often desired and perceived as useful. What is your take on this?

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When it comes down to it, the teacher/clergy as intermediary is in my opinion more for the purpose of getting you to accept what you already know. When you're stuck on a concept that you aren't internalizing properly, that you've got intellectually but has yet to sink through to the life affecting layer, or it's sinking through in a way that isn't integrating well. 

Someone who can help you cross examine your own reasons for not growing anything but your library and the stack of books on your 'to do' list - or why you have gotten stuck in the first place, where the sticking point is that you aren't either willing or able to break free of. 

Eg. If I let go of believing that this is as it is, even when that belief doesn't serve me, then I also feel I end up letting go of something that makes me who I am.

If I progress beyond this line on the map, then I no longer fit in this box, and am no longer a part of something that I want to belong to.

Someone who has the been there done that's can help clarify that the changes might not be as you think they are, and point out the places where you're bundling your associations and fears into concepts that aren't necessarily tied to those things.
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« Reply #16: November 06, 2007, 09:32:09 pm »

In some religions some or all of those events are not religious events.

That's very true, I personally have performed a wedding which wasn't religious at all, but I still felt like, and was referred to as, clergy.  Perhaps the term "facilitator" would have been more appropriate?
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« Reply #17: November 06, 2007, 09:35:24 pm »

That's very true, I personally have performed a wedding which wasn't religious at all, but I still felt like, and was referred to as, clergy.  Perhaps the term "facilitator" would have been more appropriate?

"Officiant" is the correct term in that situation, IIRC. You officiated, you were the officiant.

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« Reply #18: November 06, 2007, 09:41:09 pm »

"Officiant" is the correct term in that situation, IIRC. You officiated, you were the officiant.


It's funny you should use that term.  I use Officiant when writing rituals of any kind on paper, but almost never use it when actually carrying out said rituals. 
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