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« Reply #21: October 03, 2007, 10:57:20 am »

Therefore, even if I did grant your "heirarchy isn't needed", I'd still find good reasons for the ritual for other effects. Again, you may disagree: that's fine. But it has value for me, and for the people I work with.

I hope I haven't offended you by speaking plainly. As I've said several times, I believe you when you speak of these things having meaning for you.

I want to be clear that it is only the labels I take issue with -- not the rituals, not the experience, not even the structure. It is the labels that are the problem. I agree that labels may have benefits. But they also have drawbacks, no matter how well-intentioned; and I think the latter outweigh the former. As I think I said in my first post on this thread, "Your mileage may vary (and probably does) ..." Clearly, it does.

My aversion to the three degrees is based in this reasoning; but it is intensified by the awareness that the degree system was imported from a different esoteric family. This is because, as an import, it does not arise organically from the same soil as does Witchcraft. Yes, grafts can take; and this one does take with some. But there is so much ego associated with it in the minds of so many. "High" Priestess: what are people supposed to make of that? I'm not even thinking of the perverse, who twist these labels to self-promote; I'm thinking of the neophytes, the weak-minded, the easily-misled. It's a stumbling block for them, and they do stumble.

Your experience has been an organic one. I don't see why you couldn't have had the same experience without the formality of a degree system, but it's your path. And I can't say this enough; I believe that your path is a rich and rewarding one for you. It's obvious from what you write.

I referred to this earlier, but there is one distinction I accept: that between Witch and Priestess. I accept this because it appears to be part of Stregheria, which has been around awhile. I don't know what they teach is the difference between the two; but I assume the distinction is an organic one, something arising out of the Witch's relationship to the divine. What I've come up with is the notion that a Priestess is a Witch who has consecrated herself to her deity. As I say, I don't know if that's what the Streghe teach; but it works for me on more than one level. The step of self-consecration is qualitative, dramatic and profound. It's more than being open to Spirit; it's abandonment of self to Spirit. What a ride.

Just to the left, and not very far away, were the Triple Demons of Compromise--one tall and thin, one short and fat, and the third exactly like the other two....

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