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« Reply #15: October 10, 2007, 08:04:45 pm »

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Okay, not intirely sure how to post links correctly, but here are two really good ones on Hekate...
http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/HekateGoddess.html
http://www.hekate.nu/

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« Reply #16: October 10, 2007, 09:36:28 pm »

Hekate is overwhelmingly a maiden/virgin goddess. Here's more info, all of it taken directly from the Greek writing:

http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Hekate.html

Most of the associations of Hekate as crone come from a few specific sources where Hekate as described is really NOT the Hekate of religious cult. The possibility of Hekate as mother comes more from association and conflation with other mythical figures. She herself had no offspring.

As you can see, she does have some association with witchcraft, night, etc as is popularly believed today, however those associations are greatly exaggerated in respect to her other attributes, and the fact that she is a maiden is largely ignored to give the popular image of Hekate as this dark, scary crone-witch-hag goddess.

Hope this helps to clear things up a little.

Hello Fiamma,

Thanks for the link and your post did help. Smiley I'm also thinking that the older woman in my dream could be a spirit guide and not represent a particular deity. I've been reading more about different deities and I just get  excited when I have dreams that feel so real. With all the links I've gotten here- I certainly know more than I did before.

My mind works in weird ways sometimes and I have another question for everyone. I'm not sure how to word this, but here goes- When people distort or change the image of the original deity- what happens? Does it affect the original deity somehow or does it create a new deity? Are these considered impostors?

Thanks again,

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« Reply #17: October 10, 2007, 09:38:39 pm »

Okay, not intirely sure how to post links correctly, but here are two really good ones on Hekate...
http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/HekateGoddess.html
http://www.hekate.nu/



Hi Annaquen,

Thank you, the links worked just fine.  Smiley

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« Reply #18: October 10, 2007, 10:05:17 pm »

Hello Fiamma,

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My mind works in weird ways sometimes and I have another question for everyone. I'm not sure how to word this, but here goes- When people distort or change the image of the original deity- what happens? Does it affect the original deity somehow or does it create a new deity? Are these considered impostors?

Thanks again,

Shaylee

I don't believe that anything you can say or do, will affect the way a deity chooses to appear to Her/His worshippers. The power is Theirs, not ours.
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« Reply #19: October 11, 2007, 12:37:01 am »

As Dania said, and IIRC, the Maiden-Mother-Crone formula was developed pretty recently -- by Robert Graves, I think, but I could be wrong on that (I'm writing from memory, and my memory sucks).  The worship of Brighid and Hekate far predate the MMC model.

I don't know Hekate, and am not familiar enough with Her mythology to comment on whether "crone" is an accurate description of Her.

I'm pretty sure one of my Scott Cunningham books state that calling Hekate an old, withering Crone would "make Hellenists spit venom".

While some of Hekate's myths FIT the Crone myths, Hekate herself is NOT a crone. (So you are correct. Smiley)
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« Reply #20: October 11, 2007, 02:56:08 pm »

My mind works in weird ways sometimes and I have another question for everyone. I'm not sure how to word this, but here goes- When people distort or change the image of the original deity- what happens? Does it affect the original deity somehow or does it create a new deity? Are these considered impostors?

That’s a hard question but I don’t think that any modern tampering would affect a deity. Most serious Pagans do a great deal of studying and will eventually separate the mythos from each other. Other may have a purely UPG moment and recognize that a certain fact doesn’t jive with how that deity is presenting themselves or information that they come across just doesn’t feel right. But I have come across people that have claimed to follow the same deity but had very different ideas of the qualities of that deity. This type of thing happens a lot with Pagan religion because we are all so different in our practices. Perhaps the deities merely present themselves as needed and are as changeable as humans. There is no rule that says a deity must remain stagnate.

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« Reply #21: October 11, 2007, 06:37:59 pm »

Hello Fiamma,

Thanks for the link and your post did help. Smiley I'm also thinking that the older woman in my dream could be a spirit guide and not represent a particular deity. I've been reading more about different deities and I just get  excited when I have dreams that feel so real. With all the links I've gotten here- I certainly know more than I did before.

No problem, glad I could help. I know how it is to get excited over this stuff. The idea of the woman in your dreams being some sort of personal spirit or guide is a very real possibility, I'd look into that further.
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« Reply #22: October 11, 2007, 09:59:57 pm »



[If you think your mind works in weird ways then you need to spend a day wandering around mine. Maybe you’ll find my sanity somewhere in the mess.]

Hi Reona,

Sometimes sanity is overrated, and some great minds agree:  Grin   

“Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination”

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“Sanity is a madness put to good use.”

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Thanks for your post.

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« Reply #23: December 31, 2007, 06:00:08 pm »


I've got a question to ask, and as I can't start a new topic, I hope you don't mind if I ask on this one.

Some days ago, I was walking to the bus stop, and I suddenly felt an irrational fear. In my mind, I heard a voice (not my own voice, if you know what I mean) telling me to not be afraid, that Loki was protecting me. Then I asked "Loki? why would Loki protect ME?" and the voice, which I then knew belonged to Loki, answered me with another question: "Why do you always have to question everything?? Just accept it!!" (He put emphasis on the word "everything"). He seemed to be angry, so I just thanked him and kept walking. He's been around since that day, but I'm not feeling my patron, Odhinn, is here as much as before. I know He'll come whenever I need him, though (He came to help me last wednesday), but it seems He's been very busy lately. I think maybe He sent Loki to take care of me while He is away (and that could explain why was Loki angry that day, even if He is not angry right now).

So my question is, do you think some god/s can send other god/s to take care of or help their children? I'd like to read your opinions. Thank you!

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« Reply #24: December 31, 2007, 06:08:18 pm »

So my question is, do you think some god/s can send other god/s to take care of or help their children? I'd like to read your opinions. Thank you!

Most definitely!!! Most gods, IME don't work entirely "alone". From what I've seen/experienced, you might be working specifically with one god, but they've got a whole family backing them, if you know what I mean, and they do tend to help each other out. Smiley
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« Reply #25: January 01, 2008, 10:11:52 am »

Most definitely!!! Most gods, IME don't work entirely "alone". From what I've seen/experienced, you might be working specifically with one god, but they've got a whole family backing them, if you know what I mean, and they do tend to help each other out. Smiley

Thanks for your answer, Dania. Smiley I think I know what you mean. Like taking the kids to the uncle's house, right?  Cheesy
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« Reply #26: January 01, 2008, 12:37:44 pm »

Thanks for your answer, Dania. Smiley I think I know what you mean. Like taking the kids to the uncle's house, right?  Cheesy

*laughs* sort of. Grin

Not sure there really IS a "this world" analogy that would fit properly. But that's pretty close.
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« Reply #27: January 02, 2008, 11:54:36 am »

I've got a question to ask, and as I can't start a new topic, I hope you don't mind if I ask on this one.

Some days ago, I was walking to the bus stop, and I suddenly felt an irrational fear. In my mind, I heard a voice (not my own voice, if you know what I mean) telling me to not be afraid, that Loki was protecting me. Then I asked "Loki? why would Loki protect ME?" and the voice, which I then knew belonged to Loki, answered me with another question: "Why do you always have to question everything?? Just accept it!!" (He put emphasis on the word "everything"). He seemed to be angry, so I just thanked him and kept walking. He's been around since that day, but I'm not feeling my patron, Odhinn, is here as much as before. I know He'll come whenever I need him, though (He came to help me last wednesday), but it seems He's been very busy lately. I think maybe He sent Loki to take care of me while He is away (and that could explain why was Loki angry that day, even if He is not angry right now).

So my question is, do you think some god/s can send other god/s to take care of or help their children? I'd like to read your opinions. Thank you!

Selegna.

People who work with Odinn often get both He and Loki as a package deal--They are brothers after all. My understanding is that it may not be as much a 'busy' thing as a 'this is how They often work' thing.

I think Gods do whatever They think is best..and that it's not always a 'take care of this because I don't have time' but that 'You're better at XYZ than I am' or 'the human is not listening to Me..go make them uncomfy so that they will'.
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« Reply #28: January 02, 2008, 01:54:42 pm »

I think Gods do whatever They think is best..and that it's not always a 'take care of this because I don't have time' but that 'You're better at XYZ than I am' or 'the human is not listening to Me..go make them uncomfy so that they will'.

*rofl* yea, something like that.
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« Reply #29: January 02, 2008, 03:02:46 pm »

People who work with Odinn often get both He and Loki as a package deal--They are brothers after all. My understanding is that it may not be as much a 'busy' thing as a 'this is how They often work' thing.

I think Gods do whatever They think is best..and that it's not always a 'take care of this because I don't have time' but that 'You're better at XYZ than I am' or 'the human is not listening to Me..go make them uncomfy so that they will'.

Yes, I know they're brothers, but in 13 years that Odhinn has been around me, I never had any contact with Loki. I thought about the "take care of her while I'm away" thing because Loki seemed to not really want to be there at that time. He seemed to be just obeying, not in a "you have to do this because I say so" way, but more like "I lost a poker game and now I have to take care of this child..." sense. lol. (I'm not saying they play poker, I'm just trying to clarify things, and I'm not very good at english. Undecided ). Of course, Loki says He wouldn't be here if He didn't want to.  Cheesy

Thank you very much for your answer!!

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