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« Topic Start: October 12, 2007, 11:35:01 am »

I've been doing some path work stuff, and I've come across a spot much like one that the RCR SIG hit for a little bit- the idea of roles, or specialized paths, in religion. The ones that always come up are warrior and poet, and of course the priest/ess (in which sense I mean "servant" of the gods), the ritual leader, the healer, the artisan. But what other roles do you associate with religion? What roles do you see intertwined? (eg, poet & historian are essentially the same role to the Celts, but not necessarily for other paths.)

The main roles I could come up with are poet, artisan, historian, healer, diviner, seeker mentor, group leader, ritual leader, and hermit (though who really does that these days?)- what else would you add?
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« Reply #1: October 12, 2007, 12:48:32 pm »

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But what other roles do you associate with religion? What roles do you see intertwined? (eg, poet & historian are essentially the same role to the Celts, but not necessarily for other paths.)

The main roles I could come up with are poet, artisan, historian, healer, diviner, seeker mentor, group leader, ritual leader, and hermit (though who really does that these days?)- what else would you add?

Checks to see that thread is in a general area, not Celtic Recon.

Singer (cantor for Jews), although you might consider that either poet, ritual leader or a blending of the two.

How about sacred text / myth expert? I'm thinking of the Rabbi's role as lead explainer of the Torah and one who has to be familiar with the arguements on both sides of each passage.

Although I'm not 100% sure I'm understanding what roles you are looking for.
I'm not sure I see artisian as a religious role. or warrior. So I"m a bit confused
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« Reply #2: October 12, 2007, 12:52:14 pm »

Checks to see that thread is in a general area, not Celtic Recon.

Singer (cantor for Jews), although you might consider that either poet, ritual leader or a blending of the two.

How about sacred text / myth expert? I'm thinking of the Rabbi's role as lead explainer of the Torah and one who has to be familiar with the arguements on both sides of each passage.

Although I'm not 100% sure I'm understanding what roles you are looking for.
I'm not sure I see artisian as a religious role. or warrior. So I"m a bit confused

For a religion that honors a war deity, a warrior could be a religious role; for others, obviously not. I'm trying to reach across various ideas of religion and religious roles here. Sacred text expert I personally would probably lump with poet/historian, but it's good to remember that not everyone would. Sorry that I was confusing! Undecided
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« Reply #3: October 12, 2007, 02:50:04 pm »

For a religion that honors a war deity, a warrior could be a religious role; for others, obviously not.

It is for me, definitely. In essence, it's one of MY roles, the other being healer, apparently diviner, and artisan. I'm going to have to be a leader eventually.

Warrior and leader definitely go together. Smiley
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« Reply #4: October 12, 2007, 06:26:34 pm »

Warrior and leader definitely go together. Smiley

As a devotee of Heru-Wer (and Others), I agree heartily.  Smiley
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« Reply #5: October 12, 2007, 08:10:30 pm »

Warrior and leader definitely go together. Smiley

Just to quibble - they CAN go together.  They don't have to.

One can lead without being a warrior.  It's just tricky. Cheesy
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« Reply #6: October 12, 2007, 08:35:38 pm »

Just to quibble - they CAN go together.  They don't have to.

One can lead without being a warrior.  It's just tricky. Cheesy

That's true.  I thought about that after I posted.  Smiley
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« Reply #7: October 12, 2007, 08:56:45 pm »



The ones I can think of right now are guardian/protector and stranger/outsider, since they're my roles sometimes.  (Singer is another of mine.)  I think wanderer is sometimes combined with stranger/outsider, but not always.

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« Reply #8: October 12, 2007, 09:02:55 pm »

Just to quibble - they CAN go together.  They don't have to.

One can lead without being a warrior.  It's just tricky. Cheesy

And one can be a warrior without leading as well. It's just that the warrior types tend to lead, and vice-versa.
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« Reply #9: October 13, 2007, 12:35:02 am »

And one can be a warrior without leading as well. It's just that the warrior types tend to lead, and vice-versa.
I would (sorta) disagree.  What Warriors tend to do is whatever needs doing, that no one is willing/able to do - which means everything from leadership to taking out stinky garbage is imposed on them by necessity and their natures.  That, and Warriors tend to know where they're going (in the immediate sense, if not the long-term, and not necessarily that it's the right place to go, just that it beats the heck out of milling around with one's thumb up one's... er, this convo seems to be bringing out the Old Soldier in me); this decisiveness means they often pick up a train of less-decisive folks, whether they want to or not - they weren't actually leading, they were just moving purposefully, and others followed.

It's a very fine distinction - often, a near-meaningless one - but most Warriors of my acquaintance would insist on it being made.  That's not a criticism of the Warriors in this convo for not making it, though; I suspect it's a measure of how well you've come to terms with "leadership, like shit, happens".

The Warrior is the one who hollers, "Lead, follow, or get the @#$%&* out of the way!"... and everybody else picks option 2 or 3.

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« Reply #10: October 13, 2007, 10:40:40 am »

I would (sorta) disagree.  What Warriors tend to do is whatever needs doing, that no one is willing/able to do - which means everything from leadership to taking out stinky garbage is imposed on them by necessity and their natures.  That, and Warriors tend to know where they're going (in the immediate sense, if not the long-term, and not necessarily that it's the right place to go, just that it beats the heck out of milling around with one's thumb up one's... er, this convo seems to be bringing out the Old Soldier in me); this decisiveness means they often pick up a train of less-decisive folks, whether they want to or not - they weren't actually leading, they were just moving purposefully, and others followed.

It's a very fine distinction - often, a near-meaningless one - but most Warriors of my acquaintance would insist on it being made.  That's not a criticism of the Warriors in this convo for not making it, though; I suspect it's a measure of how well you've come to terms with "leadership, like shit, happens".

The Warrior is the one who hollers, "Lead, follow, or get the @#$%&* out of the way!"... and everybody else picks option 2 or 3.

You're right, but I wish you weren't. Tongue Actually, you're spot on. *eyes the stinky garbage AND her unwanted train of indecisive followers*

And yes, leadership, like shit, happens. Tongue I have had leadership thrust upon me my entire life....even though I've been *trying* to pass it off to someone else for a good long while now LMAO it doesn't seem to be working. I guess I have to accept that my position in life is to be a leader of some sort or another at all times.
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« Reply #11: October 13, 2007, 02:06:19 pm »

What Warriors tend to do is whatever needs doing, that no one is willing/able to do - which means everything from leadership to taking out stinky garbage is imposed on them by necessity and their natures.

That reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend of mine years ago about Warrior path stuff.  That's where my ethic of "doing what is necessary" comes from.  (Ok, so I put it in my novel first, but like a lot of that stuff, it's mine too.)  And of course further ethics are needed, but I find it to be a good place to start.

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That, and Warriors tend to know where they're going (in the immediate sense, if not the long-term, and not necessarily that it's the right place to go, just that it beats the heck out of milling around with one's thumb up one's...

That's how it's been the past few days for me.  Once I got my head of my ..., that is.  Wink

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It's a very fine distinction - often, a near-meaningless one - but most Warriors of my acquaintance would insist on it being made.  That's not a criticism of the Warriors in this convo for not making it, though; I suspect it's a measure of how well you've come to terms with "leadership, like shit, happens".

For me, my base idea of my Warrior path didn't necessarily involve leadership, but it ends up in there anyway.  Smiley I'm pretty comfortable with this but don't always want to admit that to myself.  (I still have this odd non-hierarchical streak that makes very little sense to me - I think I sometimes judge myself by the standards of not-my-religion.)
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« Reply #12: October 13, 2007, 02:07:24 pm »

And yes, leadership, like shit, happens. Tongue I have had leadership thrust upon me my entire life....even though I've been *trying* to pass it off to someone else for a good long while now LMAO it doesn't seem to be working.

I know the feeling.  Been there, done that...and ended up starting the second version of the Department.
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« Reply #13: October 13, 2007, 03:11:23 pm »

I know the feeling.  Been there, done that...and ended up starting the second version of the Department.

LOL

For me it went something like this....

Looking for a religion whose beliefs fit mine...looking...looking...not finding...working out what those beliefs are...writing them out...writing essays...creating rituals...creating code of honor..creating...oh crap...realizing I was now looking at Pagan seminary schools...thinking about starting a group....oh look I'm leading again Roll Eyes

Or how about: trying to cut back on computer time...trying...trying...somehow ending up with staff positions on *counts* three...four...forums and that's after giving up two of them to someone else.

Being offered assistant manager position after only 6 months of work (and declining it, thank GOD).
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« Reply #14: October 13, 2007, 05:16:09 pm »

You're right, but I wish you weren't.

That reminds me of a conversation I had....

Man, maybe I need a Cafe-Press shop, to cover all these t-shirt needs.... Smiley

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