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« Topic Start: October 13, 2007, 09:24:10 pm »

I sometimes wonder what a modern Hellenic temple would look like, if situated in a northern climate. Romantics might imagine something that looks like the Parthenon, but I am wary of anything with high long-term operating costs. Years of experience in a struggling mainline Christian church in a small town, have given me an appreciation of the realities of maintaining a small religious institution with a limited annual budget.

The mental picture I have, has a shrine housing the holy images at the western end of the structure on the ground floor. The doors would be very ornately decorated, and the architecture would draw the worshippers' eyes toward them somehow.

The largest room on the ground floor would be the congregational worship area, which would stretch from the doors of the shrine to the purification area at the eastern end of the building. The congregational worship area would have a wall of windows on the south side, to capture the precious Winter sun and reduce heating costs. The roof would extend outward on the south side, to shade the window wall from the high Summer sun and reducing cooling costs.

A sacred hearth would be located on the north wall of the congregational worship area, which would have no heat-bleeding north side windows. An altar would be located somewhere near the center of this room.

An office for the temple keeper would also be on the north side, to take advantage of natural lighting and allow a responsible person to oversee worshippers (or the curious) who enter the congregational worship area.

The purification area would occupy the eastern end of the structure, near the entrance. I envision two sinks, and at least one vat of lustral water.
 
Stairs leading to the basement level could be near the entrance, along the north wall. The east wall could have a large sunrise-facing window and a small shrine to Eos, or a large stained glass work depicting an image of the temple's deity.

Downstairs, I would put a kitchen and a congregational eating area (great for fundraising suppers like the Christians have). A small shrine to the Underworld deities might also be put downstairs, away from the eating area. Bathrooms and storage closets would also be downstairs.

Does anyone have any more ideas or criticisms? It would be cool to refine this concept, even if it only gets built in my dreams.
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« Reply #1: October 18, 2007, 04:02:59 pm »

Does anyone have any more ideas or criticisms? It would be cool to refine this concept, even if it only gets built in my dreams.

That sounds like a great idea.

In my climate (south Tejas), I'd probably build a temple much like my posse's building.

Two small rooms; one kitchen, one meeting room, and then a large open patio. Though I'd probably cover the posts for the patio with plaster "columns" and add a few touches that'd make it a little more "greek".

Here in SA I doubt there's enough Hellenes or even un-loco pagans in general to make a church. Though it had crossed my mind, but I'm too young to undertake such a project on my own. If I did I'd open it for everyone; wiccans, pagan-flavors, holistic healers, etc. And just have two meetings a month to talk about personal thoughts, experiences, etc.
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« Reply #2: October 18, 2007, 06:54:42 pm »

That sounds like a great idea.

In my climate (south Tejas), I'd probably build a temple much like my posse's building.

Two small rooms; one kitchen, one meeting room, and then a large open patio. Though I'd probably cover the posts for the patio with plaster "columns" and add a few touches that'd make it a little more "greek".

Here in SA I doubt there's enough Hellenes or even un-loco pagans in general to make a church. Though it had crossed my mind, but I'm too young to undertake such a project on my own. If I did I'd open it for everyone; wiccans, pagan-flavors, holistic healers, etc. And just have two meetings a month to talk about personal thoughts, experiences, etc.


Your idea sounds pretty cool too!

Sharing the building with other non-Abrahammic religious groups would probably be a financial necessity, but I think it would please the Gods too.

The only group I'd exclude would be the Satanists. Who needs that baggage? Besides, in a Bizarro World sort of way, their religious worldview is more like Christianity than anything...just an exactly reversed mirror image of it.

Thanks for your input, Aionia! I appreciate it.

I can dream about building a temple, anyway.
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« Reply #3: October 18, 2007, 08:51:27 pm »

The only group I'd exclude would be the Satanists. Who needs that baggage? Besides, in a Bizarro World sort of way, their religious worldview is more like Christianity than anything...just an exactly reversed mirror image of it.

I don't know.  I think I'd say that if they wanted to follow the same rules as everyone else, they get the same benefits.

I don't agree with their philosophy, but if I excluded everyone I disagreed with ...... Cheesy

(and at least LaVeyan Satanism really ISN'T reverse Christianity).
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« Reply #4: October 18, 2007, 09:52:28 pm »

I don't know.  I think I'd say that if they wanted to follow the same rules as everyone else, they get the same benefits.

I don't agree with their philosophy, but if I excluded everyone I disagreed with ...... Cheesy

(and at least LaVeyan Satanism really ISN'T reverse Christianity).


I was just going by the name, and what I'd heard. I've never been terribly interested in Satanism.

I keep imagining them as these dudes who wear high-collared black capes, and spend hours in front of a mirror practicing their evil laugh.  Cheesy
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« Reply #5: October 18, 2007, 10:42:17 pm »

The only group I'd exclude would be the Satanists. Who needs that baggage? Besides, in a Bizarro World sort of way, their religious worldview is more like Christianity than anything...just an exactly reversed mirror image of it.

That depends on the type of Satanists. Gothic Satanists (named for the Gothic era, not goths) are pretty much Satanists as the Church saw them, but most modern forms of Satanism aren't so much. LaVey Satanism (Church of Satan and spin-offs) certainly isn't -- its more a self-centered philosophy. Temple of set style Satanism isn't anything like the "traditional" form of Satanism either.
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« Reply #6: October 18, 2007, 10:57:58 pm »

That depends on the type of Satanists. Gothic Satanists (named for the Gothic era, not goths) are pretty much Satanists as the Church saw them, but most modern forms of Satanism aren't so much. LaVey Satanism (Church of Satan and spin-offs) certainly isn't -- its more a self-centered philosophy. Temple of set style Satanism isn't anything like the "traditional" form of Satanism either.

I thought the Temple of Set was a form of Kemetic Paganism  Huh
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« Reply #7: October 18, 2007, 11:42:54 pm »

I thought the Temple of Set was a form of Kemetic Paganism  Huh

... no, no it's not.

As interpretations of Big Red go when forcibly disconnected from His context and modernised go, it's not, IMO, a bad one, but the context matters.
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« Reply #8: October 19, 2007, 08:02:11 am »

... no, no it's not.

As interpretations of Big Red go when forcibly disconnected from His context and modernised go, it's not, IMO, a bad one, but the context matters.

Thanks, I was hopping a Set Kid would clear this up Smiley
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« Reply #9: October 19, 2007, 12:12:35 pm »

I doubt I would ever be lucky enough to have my own temple, but one day I'd love have my own roofed garden shrine, which be reached up a few stone steps. The shrine would have three altars, one dedicated to Zeno, (the founder of Stoicism), one to his master Socrates and one to Hera. On each altar I would have an offering bowl, a bowl for water, some incense and a statue of for each shrine. I think a bowl in which to tend a sacred fire. 



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« Reply #10: October 19, 2007, 08:09:17 pm »

I doubt I would ever be lucky enough to have my own temple, but one day I'd love have my own roofed garden shrine, which be reached up a few stone steps. The shrine would have three altars, one dedicated to Zeno, (the founder of Stoicism), one to his master Socrates and one to Hera. On each altar I would have an offering bowl, a bowl for water, some incense and a statue of for each shrine. I think a bowl in which to tend a sacred fire. 

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That sounds beautiful.

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« Reply #11: October 26, 2007, 01:25:08 pm »

The largest room on the ground floor would be the congregational worship area, which would stretch from the doors of the shrine to the purification area at the eastern end of the building

I've always thought of a temple as a place to visit for solitary worship not congregational worship.
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« Reply #12: October 26, 2007, 01:28:56 pm »

I've always thought of a temple as a place to visit for solitary worship not congregational worship.
i'd have to agree, as i've never considered a temple to be synonomous with a church.
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« Reply #13: October 27, 2007, 06:27:21 am »

I've always thought of a temple as a place to visit for solitary worship not congregational worship.

Typically, the ancients conducted festivals outdoors (as far as I know), away from the temple proper but nearby. However, outdoor worship is often not feasible in the north. Pouring ice-cold rain, snowstorms, and low temperatures make indoor worship more desirable for those of us not blessed with a sunny climate.

Hellenismos was meant to be a congregational religion, not one of solitary wanderers who never meet one another. Ultimately that requires temples and dedicated sacred space.
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« Reply #14: October 27, 2007, 08:54:46 am »

Hellenismos was meant to be a congregational religion, not one of solitary wanderers who never meet one another. Ultimately that requires temples and dedicated sacred space


I always got the impression that while people did come together to meet and talk the actual worship would be close family and friends only, and not large crowds being preached to, which is my understanding of the phrase congregational worship.

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